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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    If Obama had held onto the information and released it later, Obama-haters would have complained that he withheld information from the American people. They would have complained that his presidency wasn't so transparent as advertised. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    If Obama had held onto the information and released it later, Obama-haters would have complained that he withheld information from the American people. They would have complained that his presidency wasn't so transparent as advertised. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
    So then be damned doing the thing thats the most beneficial for the nation, not whats most beneficial politically. Wait to analyze the intel gathered, act on if necessary, then announce it.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So then be damned doing the thing thats the most beneficial for the nation, not whats most beneficial politically. Wait to analyze the intel gathered, act on if necessary, then announce it.
    Al-Jazeera was reporting it within 24 hours. Was that enough time to analyze the intel and then act upon it? Or would we look like buffoons if a hostile news agency looks like it knows more about what's happening than our own government?
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Al-Jazeera was reporting it within 24 hours. Was that enough time to analyze the intel and then act upon it? Or would we look like buffoons if a hostile news agency looks like it knows more about what's happening than our own government?
    Reporting what? All the Admin, Pentagon, etc would have had to announce is that it was a strike on a high level AQ operative, give a fake name if they had too. The story would go for a couple days and fade away just like the many other times it was announced that high level AQ operative was killed or targeted. No one knew it was Bin Laden until it was leaked out earlier in the day that the President announced it.

    Problem is that a political decision was made in lieu of tactical. So one of two things happened. The pro/cons were discussed of announcing the death of Bin Laden and the decision was to go for the political benefit and announce it. Or, the President and his upper level staff are truly that incompetent that they didn't discuss the option of waiting and seeing if their were tactical possibilities rooted in the intel. I see potentially either of these scenarios paying and neither one shed a positive light on this Administration.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Reporting what? All the Admin, Pentagon, etc would have had to announce is that it was a strike on a high level AQ operative, give a fake name if they had too. The story would go for a couple days and fade away just like the many other times it was announced that high level AQ operative was killed or targeted. No one knew it was Bin Laden until it was leaked out earlier in the day that the President announced it.

    Problem is that a political decision was made in lieu of tactical. So one of two things happened. The pro/cons were discussed of announcing the death of Bin Laden and the decision was to go for the political benefit and announce it. Or, the President and his upper level staff are truly that incompetent that they didn't discuss the option of waiting and seeing if their were tactical possibilities rooted in the intel. I see potentially either of these scenarios paying and neither one shed a positive light on this Administration.
    Read this link very carefully (originally posted by Frolicking Dinosaur). OBL was killed on May 1. Al-Jazeera was specifically reporting OBL's death on May 2. The US reporting the death of "a high level AQ operative" would look like a clumsy and foolish deception.
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    As I noted early on IMO Pakistan knew what was going down. Obama had to make a statement right away to provide cover for Pakistan. Did he lie? Yeah, but this is one lie I can understand a president making.

    People inside of Pakistan knew what happened in a very short time. If the U.S. hadn't provided Pakistan cover in saying that they didn't know about the intrusion, it could have been pretty messy for Pakistan.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    So, Al Quaida hoisting their flag atop a Libyia courthouse is somehow a terrorist attack against American?

    I'm shakin' in my boot!

    Let me know when that flag pole falls from the roof top and kills someone.

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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    If Obama had held onto the information and released it later, Obama-haters would have complained that he withheld information from the American people. They would have complained that his presidency wasn't so transparent as advertised. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
    This seems to be the case with partisan hackjobs here. If Obama didn't do a stimulus and let demand drop dramatically causing unemployment to possibly spike to 25%, they would call for his head. If he had stopped TARP and let thousands of businesses relying on that money directly or indirectly go, they'd call for his head.

    These people will attack Obama on anything he does. Even when the policies mirror, incorporate or are identical to Bush policies. How many of the stimulus haters attacked Bush's 2008 stimulus? None. Obama follows suit with a huge amount of tax rebates, the SAME THING Bush did and they call it a total failure while being silent on Bush's tax rebate failure. The problem they have isn't Obama's policies. It's the fact that there's a D, not a R after his name.

    And when you start calling them out on this, they insult you rather then address your points.
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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This seems to be the case with partisan hackjobs here. If Obama didn't do a stimulus and let demand drop dramatically causing unemployment to possibly spike to 25%, they would call for his head. If he had stopped TARP and let thousands of businesses relying on that money directly or indirectly go, they'd call for his head.

    These people will attack Obama on anything he does. Even when the policies mirror, incorporate or are identical to Bush policies. How many of the stimulus haters attacked Bush's 2008 stimulus? None. Obama follows suit with a huge amount of tax rebates, the SAME THING Bush did and they call it a total failure while being silent on Bush's tax rebate failure. The problem they have isn't Obama's policies. It's the fact that there's a D, not a R after his name.

    And when you start calling them out on this, they insult you rather then address your points.
    the converse is true as well--there are those who slurp Obama constantly while claiming everything Bush did was damned



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    Re: Bitter Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
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    "They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized." That's because they didn't understand it was only about a photo op and a small bump in the polls to Obama.
    None of this makes sense to me. A former SEAL commander speaking the press about this, the SEAL team that carried out the mission voicing their disapproval of Obama in a book not a year after their mission and implications that Obama COULD have waited to reveal the death of bin Laden? None of that adds up. I'm not buying it.

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