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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

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    Like a page from the novel 1984, the victims of forced sterilization lived through an Orwellian nightmare. Against their will, they were permanently sterilized. The decision was made by people they never met who believed that they were inferior, and should not be able to breed. Should these victims be compensated by the government? And what attempts, if any, should be made to prevent this from happening again?

    Another interesting question: are there instances when people should be forcefully sterilized?
    It's not Orwellian so much as Huxleyan.

    As for my beliefs: the government must compensate, must put out a forceful apology, and repudiate it. Bioethics standards must continue to focus attention on the academics and other walks of life that still promote the ideology that some are not fit to breed, and that some, because of illness or circumstance, are unworthy of life.

    The issue is, Eugenics, as a scientific outlook, existed far before the 1920s, encompassed a large number of individuals from all walks of life and professions, and both liberal and conservative dispositions. It even claimed favor of two of our presidents. Yet, it also claimed much of the Western world, including Britain, and of course, Germany. It targeted a large number of groups, ranging from the poor, the promiscuous, the racially inferior, to the disabled and mentally handicapped.
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    I'm not for anyone deciding who can and can't have children except the individuals themselves. This is America, for the love of God.


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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's not Orwellian so much as Huxleyan.
    Either description could work.

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    As for my beliefs: the government must compensate, must put out a forceful apology, and repudiate it. Bioethics standards must continue to focus attention on the academics and other walks of life that still promote the ideology that some are not fit to breed, and that some, because of illness or circumstance, are unworthy of life.

    The issue is, Eugenics, as a scientific outlook, existed far before the 1920s, encompassed a large number of individuals from all walks of life and professions, and both liberal and conservative dispositions. It even claimed favor of two of our presidents. Yet, it also claimed much of the Western world, including Britain, and of course, Germany. It targeted a large number of groups, ranging from the poor, the promiscuous, the racially inferior, to the disabled and mentally handicapped.
    Agreed. I fear the day when committees decide for us who is fit to live and breed and who isn't.

    I also agree that some type of compensation is warranted, but just how much- I'm not sure. Can any amount of money replace one's genetic immortality? Definitely not, imo.
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And kudos, but chemical castration is a continuous process and requires that the molester continue to receive medication (usually through a PO or monitoring program), which makes it easier for the molester to undo the effects of the medication.
    Yep, more evidence that it shouldn't be used. Rusty Garden shears without a Tetanus shot would be a much better and appropriate method.

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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

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    Like a page from the novel 1984, the victims of forced sterilization lived through an Orwellian nightmare. Against their will, they were permanently sterilized. The decision was made by people they never met who believed that they were inferior, and should not be able to breed. Should these victims be compensated by the government? And what attempts, if any, should be made to prevent this from happening again?

    Another interesting question: are there instances when people should be forcefully sterilized?
    No, they shouldn't be compensated. I think everything's in place to assure that this never happens again in this country, so nothing needs to be done.

    Okay, your last question. Let me just open my self up to a bitch slap here. If someone has had three children (four? I don't know) and can't support any of them, then I think it would make sense to sterilize them. 'Course that's never going to happen.
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, they shouldn't be compensated. I think everything's in place to assure that this never happens again in this country, so nothing needs to be done.

    Okay, your last question. Let me just open my self up to a bitch slap here. If someone has had three children (four? I don't know) and can't support any of them, then I think it would make sense to sterilize them. 'Course that's never going to happen.
    The precedent that would set could be disastrous.
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
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    Like a page from the novel 1984, the victims of forced sterilization lived through an Orwellian nightmare. Against their will, they were permanently sterilized. The decision was made by people they never met who believed that they were inferior, and should not be able to breed. Should these victims be compensated by the government? And what attempts, if any, should be made to prevent this from happening again?

    Another interesting question: are there instances when people should be forcefully sterilized?
    My cousin had paranoid schizophrenia before she died, a few years ago.

    She had 3 kids, all of which were given up for adoption, because she wasn't responsible enough to take care of them and lived a transient, promiscuous life style.
    Not saying it's right, but then again sometimes it's not wrong.
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My cousin had paranoid schizophrenia before she died, a few years ago.

    She had 3 kids, all of which were given up for adoption, because she wasn't responsible enough to take care of them and lived a transient, promiscuous life style.
    Not saying it's right, but then again sometimes it's not wrong.
    saw it all the time when we were foster parents. female would have her kid(s) taken away by DHR because she was unfit and then 9-10 months later pop out another one and DHR would take it away and then 9-10 months later she'd have another one...rinse repeat.

    I know of cases where DHR actually went to the hospital on the day of the birth to take control of the kid.

    people like that should be sterilized
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you pro-abortion?
    What does the abortion question or the posters position on the matter have to do with the thread topic?

    The issue isn't about abortions; it's about forced sterilization. Those who seak to have an abortion do so at their choice. These people who were forcefully sterilized against their will, without their knowledge had no choice!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, they shouldn't be compensated. I think everything's in place to assure that this never happens again in this country, so nothing needs to be done.

    Okay, your last question. Let me just open my self up to a bitch slap here. If someone has had three children (four? I don't know) and can't support any of them, then I think it would make sense to sterilize them. 'Course that's never going to happen.
    I disagree.

    These people were made to be victims of a medical procedure that by all accounts they knew nothing about. They were selected for sterilization by Social Workers and health care professions in most cases without any credible evidence to support the claims of sexual deviance, parental irresponsibility, or medical history of birth defects running through their family line. How do you justify non-compensation for such a wrong?

    I could understand if these people were rapists or pedophiles, but you just don't remove a person's ability to reproduce because you think they may be harmful to the State whether economically or criminally. With such actions, you've gone beyond population control or "best practises to reduce entitlement expenses" and crossed into the realm of geneside, picking who lives, who dies or in the case of forceable sterilization who is entitled to or least desireable for procreation.
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    Re: Victims speak out about North Carolina sterilization program

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    saw it all the time when we were foster parents. female would have her kid(s) taken away by DHR because she was unfit and then 9-10 months later pop out another one and DHR would take it away and then 9-10 months later she'd have another one...rinse repeat.

    I know of cases where DHR actually went to the hospital on the day of the birth to take control of the kid.

    people like that should be sterilized
    My wife and I were trying to adopt a little girl and it was a similar situation, only that the mother was just irresponsible and had a lot of unprotected sex.
    That girl was the 4th given up to the state.
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