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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's his regime. Bush got blamed for everything from the depression to the weather, so Obama must live up to the same standard. Yes?
    1 member of FERC was appointed by Bush. The other 3 members and the Chairman were appointed by Obama. So yes, this is on Obama's plate.
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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    *sigh*

    Of course this for many turns into a circle jerk fest for some Cons in this thread who will pin this kind of thing on "Obama Big Gov regulation" so on and so forth without looking at the big picture.

    I live on a lake where you're not allowed to build any kind of structure along its banks by law, and we're ok with that, the issue here is that if they don't enforce the zoning restrictions then it gives carte blanche to those who haven't done so yet to start building whatever they want.

    I'm sure no one intended to break the law and in the end the gov probably won't end up doing anything but for those throwing their partisan sperm towel all over this, please stop making fools of yourselves.

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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    From the original article. "... The dispute pits the government's rules for hydroelectric projects against the potential vagaries of land records and private transactions that go back more than 80 years. Riley and other property owners say they have legal deeds to their land that permitted construction. The agency says it has regulations protecting the lake's recreation, scenery and environment against development... "

    How far back have there been zoning laws, and who ignored them to allow the illegal buildings?
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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    *sigh*

    Of course this for many turns into a circle jerk fest for some Cons in this thread who will pin this kind of thing on "Obama Big Gov regulation" so on and so forth without looking at the big picture.

    I live on a lake where you're not allowed to build any kind of structure along its banks by law, and we're ok with that, the issue here is that if they don't enforce the zoning restrictions then it gives carte blanche to those who haven't done so yet to start building whatever they want.

    I'm sure no one intended to break the law and in the end the gov probably won't end up doing anything but for those throwing their partisan sperm towel all over this, please stop making fools of yourselves.
    When you been living in your home for 30 years, it's damn near impossible not to blame an over-reaching government, then the government comes in tells you that you can't live there anymore.

    Reminds me of what the government did to the indians. Is this the beginning of the reservation system for all Americans?

    Zoning laws don't trump the Constitution, which guarantees us our property rights.
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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    From the original article. "... The dispute pits the government's rules for hydroelectric projects against the potential vagaries of land records and private transactions that go back more than 80 years. Riley and other property owners say they have legal deeds to their land that permitted construction. The agency says it has regulations protecting the lake's recreation, scenery and environment against development... "

    How far back have there been zoning laws, and who ignored them to allow the illegal buildings?
    Here in America, it's not right to zone someone out of their home. An act such as that smacks at freedom and liberty; I don't give a **** what party is involved.
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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who does the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission answer to?
    Uhhh the government bureaucracy... So that entails the chairman of the FERC Jon Wellinghoff, the House of Representatives, the Senate, other agencies, the executive branch which is the biggest branch in the gov, various companies/corporations, and lobbyists...

    So how does the bring Obama into the story?


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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I live on a lake where you're not allowed to build any kind of structure along its banks by law, and we're ok with that, the issue here is that if they don't enforce the zoning restrictions then it gives carte blanche to those who haven't done so yet to start building whatever they want.

    yeah, how dare anyone do what they want WITH THEIR OWN PROPERTY!!!!!


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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Here in America, it's not right to zone someone out of their home. An act such as that smacks at freedom and liberty; I don't give a **** what party is involved.

    Even in America, if the zone was there before the home, let the buyer beware!
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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Even in America, if the zone was there before the home, let the buyer beware!

    But that is not the charge in the story is it? I mean I could be wrong, and will take another look, but I got the feeling that these were now claims that were not there when residents bought this land, and built these homes some 35 years plus ago....


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    Re: Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes

    The problem with the lakefront property arose when Ameren Missouri, the power company that owns the project, applied to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission for a new 40-year license to operate the dam. A required shoreline plan noted that some structures had been built over time on some of the utility's property for the dam, in many cases when Union Electric Co., an earlier form of Ameren, was the owner. How the property was sold was not clear. But the utility had no problem with many of the structures.

    FERC objected, however.
    So let's see, the prior owner of the energy company had no problem with it, sold the land and now some bureaucrat decides that the letter of the regulation supersedes the rights of the property owner, and the electric company has no problem with the structures built there.

    This is not a common sense ruling by this bureaucracy, it is heavy handed, and wrong headed.

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