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A former NYPD
narcotics detective snared in a corruption scandal testified it was common practice to fabricate drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas.The bombshell testimony from Stephen Anderson is the first public account of the twisted culture behind the false arrests in the Brooklyn South and Queens narc squads, which led to the arrests of eight cops and a massive shakeup.Anderson, testifying under a cooperation agreement with prosecutors, was busted for planting cocaine, a practice known as "flaking," on four men in a Queens bar in 2008 to help out fellow cop Henry Tavarez, whose buy-and-bust activity had been low."Tavarez was ... was worried about getting sent back [to patrol] and, you know, the supervisors getting on his case," he recounted at the corruption trial of Brooklyn South narcotics Detective Jason Arbeeny."I had decided to give him [Tavarez] the drugs to help him out so that he could say he had a buy," Anderson testified last week in Brooklyn Supreme Court.He made clear he wasn't about to pass off the two legit arrests he had made in the bar to Tavarez."As a detective, you still have a number to reach while you are in the narcotics division," he said.NYPD officials did not respond to a request for comment.
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Read more: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies - NY Daily NewsThis is interesting. Are the police becoming really as bad as the bad cop movies make it out to be? Are cops really this dirty? Is the war on drugs failing us? I think all of these questions can be answered with a yes.

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my impression is that the majority of cops never even think about doing stuff like this.

however, these cops sure did. and yes, the drug war is a failure.

arrest quotas of any kind should be banned by law.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies







Read more: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies - NY Daily NewsThis is interesting. Are the police becoming really as bad as the bad cop movies make it out to be? Are cops really this dirty? Is the war on drugs failing us? I think all of these questions can be answered with a yes.

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This is what is created when Command Staff personnel create quotas or expected goals for officers to meet.

I blame the jokers in charge trying to impress the politicians in the city government.
 
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I am just glad they were caught.

I suspect that there's wrongdoing which is not uncovered.
 
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This isn't surprising. It reminds me a lot of teachers who are caught changing answers on their students' standardized tests. Just like emphasis on "teaching to the test" leads to more cheating and less actual achievement, emphasis on "arresting to the quota" leads to more false arrests and less actual safety. There are a lot of problems with the leaders of government many of who really don't know what the hell they're doing and are more concerned with appearances than substance.

While it's tempting to simply blame the cops in question, my awareness of pressure on teachers to cheat in the education system is making me cautious at placing all of the blame on the cops in this situation. I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests. It's a shame that those people probably won't be found out just like those who create the similar atmosphere in education won't ever be found out either.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
[h=1]We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies[/h][h=2][/h]






Read more: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies - NY Daily NewsThis is interesting. Are the police becoming really as bad as the bad cop movies make it out to be? Are cops really this dirty? Is the war on drugs failing us? I think all of these questions can be answered with a yes.

Thoughts?
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We need a total revamp of our legal, court, and law enforcement systems.

This bull**** is tiresome. And bull****.
 
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theplaydrive said:
This isn't surprising. It reminds me a lot of teachers who are caught changing answers on their students' standardized tests. Just like emphasis on "teaching to the test" leads to more cheating and less actual achievement, emphasis on "arresting to the quota" leads to more false arrests and less actual safety. There are a lot of problems with the leaders of government many of who really don't know what the hell they're doing and are more concerned with appearances than substance.

While it's tempting to simply blame the cops in question, my awareness of pressure on teachers to cheat in the education system is making me cautious at placing all of the blame on the cops in this situation. I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests. It's a shame that those people probably won't be found out just like those who create the similar atmosphere in education won't ever be found out either.
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Which is why Ive made a rule for myself.
No work in narcotics.... its a shady area.

Some of the guys Ive worked with have run into situations where a supervisor demand they arrest someone and charge them with something that the officer disagrees upon meeting the elements of that particular crime.

In their case, they just arrested them for the lower crime they committed and charged them with that and didn't tell the supervisor.

In my case, I'll charge them with the higher crime, but list myself as the transporting officer and list the supervisor as the charging officer and put him down for court.
 
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So, remind me why drugs are criminalized? What's the advantage to doing this kind of stuff again?
 
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Quotas impress politicians because quotas produce high arrest numbers... high arrest numbers impress citizens, makes them feel safe... impressed politicians and citizens want to keep increasing budgets (or, at least maintain them)... increased or maintained budgets equal job security... it's a vicious circle.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I am just glad they were caught.

I suspect that there's wrongdoing which is not uncovered.
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There definitely is.
 
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atrasicarius said:
So, remind me why drugs are criminalized? What's the advantage to doing this kind of stuff again?
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It's a job creator.
 
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theplaydrive said:
This isn't surprising. It reminds me a lot of teachers who are caught changing answers on their students' standardized tests. Just like emphasis on "teaching to the test" leads to more cheating and less actual achievement, emphasis on "arresting to the quota" leads to more false arrests and less actual safety. There are a lot of problems with the leaders of government many of who really don't know what the hell they're doing and are more concerned with appearances than substance.

While it's tempting to simply blame the cops in question, my awareness of pressure on teachers to cheat in the education system is making me cautious at placing all of the blame on the cops in this situation. I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests. It's a shame that those people probably won't be found out just like those who create the similar atmosphere in education won't ever be found out either.
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Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
 
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radcen said:
Quotas impress politicians because quotas produce high arrest numbers... high arrest numbers impress citizens, makes them feel safe... impressed politicians and citizens want to keep increasing budgets (or, at least maintain them)... increased or maintained budgets equal job security... it's a vicious circle.
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Yeah, this is why I don't always go for "law and order" candidates. After all, there are a number of laws that shouldn't be laws. And it's the public's fault for falling for that line.
 
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MaggieD said:
Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
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Well, I think he's just pointing out that the mentality of the cops is "we're just doing our jobs," which is true to a degree. And the supervisors who push for cops to make false arrests are just as accountable for cops making false arrests that they're pushed to make.

It doesn't excuse the cops, you're absolutely right. But they aren't the only ones accountable if their bosses push them to do so.

Is that fair to say?
 
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samsmart said:
Well, I think he's just pointing out that the mentality of the cops is "we're just doing our jobs," which is true to a degree. And the supervisors who push for cops to make false arrests are just as accountable for cops making false arrests that they're pushed to make.

It doesn't excuse the cops, you're absolutely right. But they aren't the only ones accountable if their bosses push them to do so.

Is that fair to say?
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Yeppers. ;)
 
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samsmart said:
Yeah, this is why I don't always go for "law and order" candidates. After all, there are a number of laws that shouldn't be laws. And it's the public's fault for falling for that line.
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Far too often, the so-called "law-and-order" people are the first ones to abandon the procedure of the law in the name of the end result.


samsmart said:
Well, I think he's just pointing out that the mentality of the cops is "we're just doing our jobs," which is true to a degree. And the supervisors who push for cops to make false arrests are just as accountable for cops making false arrests that they're pushed to make.

It doesn't excuse the cops, you're absolutely right. But they aren't the only ones accountable if their bosses push them to do so.

Is that fair to say?
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Then, when you read stuff like this...
The judge pressed Anderson on whether he ever gave a thought to the damage he was inflicting on the innocent.

"It was something I was seeing a lot of, whether it was from supervisors or undercovers and even investigators," he said.

"It's almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they're going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway."
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...it certainly doesn't help. I guess allowing a false arrest record to follow that person around for their entire life is perfectly fine.
 
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When I read news stories like this... and when I watch (some) true crime tv shows... I always get this visual of several LEOs in a break room discussing their negative reputation in society. And all of them are truly and honestly perplexed as to why nobody trusts them.

This! THIS type of crap, facilitated by what I will call the "bad apples" of police, is exactly why police in general have a negative public image.
 
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MaggieD said:
Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
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I didn't excuse anybody, I pointed out that more than one group of people in the police department may share the blame. For some reason, you seem to think that pointing out the existence of a culture which encourages corruption is 'excusing' those who succumb to it. You make that leap of logic in education threads when I point out the culture in the education system and now you're making the leap of logic here.

If such pressure exists, which I definitely believe it does, then police officers who succumb to the pressure are responsible for their actions and their false arrests. Those who pressure them are also responsible for their actions, particularly if their pressure was of the sort that threatens someone's job or pay. The only person here who isn't holding people accountable is you since you clutch your pearls at the mere suggestion that we shouldn't excuse those who encourage corruption.
 
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radcen said:
When I read news stories like this... and when I watch (some) true crime tv shows... I always get this visual of several LEOs in a break room discussing their negative reputation in society. And all of them are truly and honestly perplexed as to why nobody trusts them.

This! THIS type of crap, facilitated by what I will call the "bad apples" of police, is exactly why police in general have a negative public image.
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Well, it's also important to note that not every LEO is corrupt. A lot of LEOs just want to keep the community safe and sound. So not every police officer is like that.

Just like with everything, there's good and there's bad. So we shouldn't indict all police officers nationwide for what a squad in one city does.

But while I think we have more legit cops that we have corrupt ones, we still need to push for reforms for our systems of law.
 
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A few years ago the Dallas PD had a problem with arresting people for fake drugs. I thought that that was the lowest a group of people could go. As a group, they could walk under a snake, standing up. I would spit on those dudes. Framing innocent people to make arrest quotas should be punishable by death by flame-thrower. Those pukes will probably be out in a few years. Never to work in law enforcement again.
 
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Mickey Shane said:
A few years ago the Dallas PD had a problem with arresting people for fake drugs. I thought that that was the lowest a group of people could go. As a group, they could walk under a snake, standing up. I would spit on those dudes. Framing innocent people to make arrest quotas should be punishable by death by flame-thrower. Those pukes will probably be out in a few years. Never to work in law enforcement again.
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At least we know you support the Death Penalty now...........
 
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samsmart said:
It's a job creator.
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Yeah, it provides lots of jobs for drug runners, hit men, and makers of gold plated AK-47's. :roll:
 
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Little perspective. There are over 35k officers in the NYPD. With a number like that, there are bound to be some bad apples or those with questionable ethics. They're a sample of society.

Now, if this is determined to be systematic practice sanctioned by the organization as a whole, its pretty damn serious issue and there should be an organizational shakedown, top to bottom. If not, hold those accountable for breaking the law.
 
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samsmart said:
It's a job creator.
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Bingo. "The War on Drugs" is nothing more than the "Law Enforcement Employment Security Act."
 
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samsmart said:
Well, it's also important to note that not every LEO is corrupt. A lot of LEOs just want to keep the community safe and sound. So not every police officer is like that.

Just like with everything, there's good and there's bad. So we shouldn't indict all police officers nationwide for what a squad in one city does.

But while I think we have more legit cops that we have corrupt ones, we still need to push for reforms for our systems of law.
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Agree on every point, which is why I phrased it as... "...facilitated by what I will call the "bad apples" of police,...". Most officers are fine and decent people, as are most citizens. But, just as an officer does not know if he is dealing with a good one or a bad one, neither do I.
 
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