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We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former dete

Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

Caine said:
Which is why Ive made a rule for myself.
No work in narcotics.... its a shady area.

Some of the guys Ive worked with have run into situations where a supervisor demand they arrest someone and charge them with something that the officer disagrees upon meeting the elements of that particular crime.

In their case, they just arrested them for the lower crime they committed and charged them with that and didn't tell the supervisor.

In my case, I'll charge them with the higher crime, but list myself as the transporting officer and list the supervisor as the charging officer and put him down for court.
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Yeah, I've always heard shady things about narcotics - apparently it's not the most honest part of the department. And your handling of the situation sounds better than the other people's. If the supervisor wants the charge, they should be responsible for it.
 
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atrasicarius said:
Yeah, it provides lots of jobs for drug runners, hit men, and makers of gold plated AK-47's. :roll:
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I was referring more to the narcotics police squads, the DEA, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, prison guards, and wardens.
 
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DiAnna said:
Bingo. "The War on Drugs" is nothing more than the "Law Enforcement Employment Security Act."
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Wrong.

"The War on Drugs" and its associated factors are purely political and/or business/industrial.

Who makes drug laws again?

(And Why do I always have to remind people of this when drug laws are brought up?)

Who have the ability to appeal drug laws again?
 
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samsmart said:
I was referring more to the narcotics police squads, the DEA, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, prison guards, and wardens.
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The California prison guard union is, by far, the most powerful union in the state. They actively oppose EVERY proposal that might lower the prison population or somehow undermine their power and status and influence.
 
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Caine said:
Wrong.

"The War on Drugs" and its associated factors are purely political and/or business/industrial.

Who makes drug laws again?

(And Why do I always have to remind people of this when drug laws are brought up?)

Who have the ability to appeal drug laws again?
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They go hand-in-hand. Law enforcement is politically popular AND they also have their own lobbyists in Washington and state capitols.
 
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samsmart said:
I was referring more to the narcotics police squads, the DEA, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, prison guards, and wardens.
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Drug Charges don't have their own courts.... so how many judges are employed SPECIFICALLY to handle drugs???

Narcotics Police Squads are created out of EXISTING police officers... nobody gets hired on a department as a narcotics squad member.

The DEA would still have plenty of work to do dealing with already legal via prescription drugs, and ensuring that there doesn't remain an underground drug trade network avoiding the taxation if said drugs became legal.

Prosecutors would still exist because there are still crimes to prosecute.

Defense attorneys would still exist because Ive never heard of a defense attorney who only defends drug charges. (Specialize yes, only do? no)

Prison Guards would still exist because there would still be inmates.

Wardens would still exist because there would still be prisons.

If anything, many of those involved in organized crime that are serving time under drug charges would be there for something else by now. Many people are attracted to crime, just like many underage kids love drinking booze until they turn 21... then it just ain't all that special anymore.
 
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radcen said:
They go hand-in-hand. Law enforcement is politically popular AND they also have their own lobbyists in Washington and state capitols.
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All in all, you can't show why its law enforcement's fault that drugs are illegal. So stop blaming them.


Next...
 
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radcen said:
The California prison guard union is, by far, the most powerful union in the state. They actively oppose EVERY proposal that might lower the prison population or somehow undermine their power and status and influence.
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Not only that, every time legalizing medical marijuana was on the ballot, the prison guard union pumped huge sums of money to oppose it. So did every police union in the country. They fear it's the first step toward legalizing marijuana, then all drugs... and if that happens, drug cartels will implode, prisons will empty out almost immediately, courts will actually have free time on their dockets, and thousands of police officers, DEA agents, and prison guards will be looking for a new line of work.
 
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DiAnna said:
and if that happens, drug cartels will implode, prisons will empty out almost immediately, courts will actually have free time on their dockets, and thousands of police officers, DEA agents, and prison guards will be looking for a new line of work.
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Thats a nice conspiracy theory you have there. Too bad its not supported by fact.

Fact is... nobody will be looking for a new line of work except the private businesses that run the Rehabilitation programs that are required by law for drug offenders to attend (and pay for out of their own pocket).
 
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Caine said:
All in all, you can't show why its law enforcement's fault that drugs are illegal. So stop blaming them.

Next...
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Obviously none that you would accept. Next, indeed.
 
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samsmart said:
I was referring more to the narcotics police squads, the DEA, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, prison guards, and wardens.
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Yeah, them too. Too bad their job security requires society to turn into a ****can.
 
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Caine said:
Drug Charges don't have their own courts.... so how many judges are employed SPECIFICALLY to handle drugs???

Narcotics Police Squads are created out of EXISTING police officers... nobody gets hired on a department as a narcotics squad member.

The DEA would still have plenty of work to do dealing with already legal via prescription drugs, and ensuring that there doesn't remain an underground drug trade network avoiding the taxation if said drugs became legal.

Prosecutors would still exist because there are still crimes to prosecute.

Defense attorneys would still exist because Ive never heard of a defense attorney who only defends drug charges. (Specialize yes, only do? no)

Prison Guards would still exist because there would still be inmates.

Wardens would still exist because there would still be prisons.

If anything, many of those involved in organized crime that are serving time under drug charges would be there for something else by now. Many people are attracted to crime, just like many underage kids love drinking booze until they turn 21... then it just ain't all that special anymore.
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Do you really believe that if drugs were legalized, there wouldn't be a whole lot less crime to prosecute? Really?
 
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atrasicarius said:
Do you really believe that if drugs were legalized, there wouldn't be a whole lot less crime to prosecute? Really?
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There would be less cases to prosecute.

Which would take our courts from being highly under funded to being properly funded.


That wouldn't make people lose their jobs.... job GROWTH in some areas would be reduced...
 
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theplaydrive said:
The only person here who isn't holding people accountable is you since you clutch your pearls at the mere suggestion that we shouldn't excuse those who encourage corruption.
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What are you even talking about? I hold them all accountable...the coppers that succumb to dishonest superiors...and the superiors themselves. I give those who succumb no quarter.
 
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MaggieD said:
What are you even talking about?
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I'm talking about the fact that you somehow got out of my post that I'm 'excusing' people when instead I was pointing out that other people are ALSO accountable. You seem to think that pointing out that others are accountable is an 'excuse'. If you think that's an 'excuse', then you must think that they shouldn't be held accountable.

How about you start reading my posts for what they actually say instead of attributing some BS meaning to them as you do in every thread and then responding 'what are you even talking about?" when I respond accordingly?
 
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This happens again and again over time in the narcotics divisions of police forces. Officers spend too much time around all the money and drugs and they get corrupted. Some really good cops get caught up in the culture. They ought to have a limit to the amount of time they let a cop spend in the narcotics divisions. They need to turn them over often. Of course I don't believe in our drug laws either. We need a serious overhaul in drug laws and enforcement.
 
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Caine said:
Drug Charges don't have their own courts.... so how many judges are employed SPECIFICALLY to handle drugs???

Narcotics Police Squads are created out of EXISTING police officers... nobody gets hired on a department as a narcotics squad member.

The DEA would still have plenty of work to do dealing with already legal via prescription drugs, and ensuring that there doesn't remain an underground drug trade network avoiding the taxation if said drugs became legal.

Prosecutors would still exist because there are still crimes to prosecute.

Defense attorneys would still exist because Ive never heard of a defense attorney who only defends drug charges. (Specialize yes, only do? no)

Prison Guards would still exist because there would still be inmates.

Wardens would still exist because there would still be prisons.

If anything, many of those involved in organized crime that are serving time under drug charges would be there for something else by now. Many people are attracted to crime, just like many underage kids love drinking booze until they turn 21... then it just ain't all that special anymore.
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You know, I'm going to say that I agree with you on a lot of that.

But I think all of those things should apply to more serious crimes rather than drug charges.
 
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MaggieD said:
What are you even talking about? I hold them all accountable...the coppers that succumb to dishonest superiors...and the superiors themselves. I give those who succumb no quarter.
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They ARE all accountable. 2 prosecutors and 2 court reporters here in Houston are about to be indicted on felony charges. The 2 reporters were leaking grand jury testimony to the prosecutors, in regard to the investigation over police officers arresting people for DWI, while knowing that the tests, conducted from BAT vans, were flawed. A whisleblower was both threatened and fired. As a result of this investigation, Harris County is longer authorized to run the BAT vans, as all the vans have been turned over to the DPS, and there are about a dozen police officers who are about to lose their job, and some of them may end up in prison for official oppression. This is probably the worst law enforcement scandal in the history of Houston.

In addition, there are several other cases that are working their way through grand juries, both local and federal. Those I cannot comment on, as I am a potential witness in one of those cases.
 
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MaggieD said:
Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
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Oh...you need to read some studies...It's human nature to follow command even when it commands to do something wrong.

The Standford Experiment and the "shock experiments" show this.

As samsmart says right below your post, it doesn't excuse them, but it does explain how otherwise good people do outrageously bad things.
 
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danarhea said:
They ARE all accountable. 2 prosecutors and 2 court reporters here in Houston are about to be indicted on felony charges. The 2 reporters were leaking grand jury testimony to the prosecutors, in regard to the investigation over police officers arresting people for DWI, while knowing that the tests, conducted from BAT vans, were flawed. A whisleblower was both threatened and fired. As a result of this investigation, Harris County is longer authorized to run the BAT vans, as all the vans have been turned over to the DPS, and there are about a dozen police officers who are about to lose their job, and some of them may end up in prison for official oppression. This is probably the worst law enforcement scandal in the history of Houston.

In addition, there are several other cases that are working their way through grand juries, both local and federal. Those I cannot comment on, as I am a potential witness in one of those cases.
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Cases such as you cite are the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.
 
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Salaried heads should be rolling. Where did these quotas come from? We should be planting drugs on THEM, and arresting THEM on drugs charges....see how they like it. Put them in the same cell with the folks they framed.
 
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