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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    So, remind me why drugs are criminalized? What's the advantage to doing this kind of stuff again?
    It's a job creator.
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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This isn't surprising. It reminds me a lot of teachers who are caught changing answers on their students' standardized tests. Just like emphasis on "teaching to the test" leads to more cheating and less actual achievement, emphasis on "arresting to the quota" leads to more false arrests and less actual safety. There are a lot of problems with the leaders of government many of who really don't know what the hell they're doing and are more concerned with appearances than substance.

    While it's tempting to simply blame the cops in question, my awareness of pressure on teachers to cheat in the education system is making me cautious at placing all of the blame on the cops in this situation. I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests. It's a shame that those people probably won't be found out just like those who create the similar atmosphere in education won't ever be found out either.
    Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Quotas impress politicians because quotas produce high arrest numbers... high arrest numbers impress citizens, makes them feel safe... impressed politicians and citizens want to keep increasing budgets (or, at least maintain them)... increased or maintained budgets equal job security... it's a vicious circle.
    Yeah, this is why I don't always go for "law and order" candidates. After all, there are a number of laws that shouldn't be laws. And it's the public's fault for falling for that line.
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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
    Well, I think he's just pointing out that the mentality of the cops is "we're just doing our jobs," which is true to a degree. And the supervisors who push for cops to make false arrests are just as accountable for cops making false arrests that they're pushed to make.

    It doesn't excuse the cops, you're absolutely right. But they aren't the only ones accountable if their bosses push them to do so.

    Is that fair to say?
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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, I think he's just pointing out that the mentality of the cops is "we're just doing our jobs," which is true to a degree. And the supervisors who push for cops to make false arrests are just as accountable for cops making false arrests that they're pushed to make.

    It doesn't excuse the cops, you're absolutely right. But they aren't the only ones accountable if their bosses push them to do so.

    Is that fair to say?
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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yeah, this is why I don't always go for "law and order" candidates. After all, there are a number of laws that shouldn't be laws. And it's the public's fault for falling for that line.
    Far too often, the so-called "law-and-order" people are the first ones to abandon the procedure of the law in the name of the end result.


    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, I think he's just pointing out that the mentality of the cops is "we're just doing our jobs," which is true to a degree. And the supervisors who push for cops to make false arrests are just as accountable for cops making false arrests that they're pushed to make.

    It doesn't excuse the cops, you're absolutely right. But they aren't the only ones accountable if their bosses push them to do so.

    Is that fair to say?
    Then, when you read stuff like this...
    The judge pressed Anderson on whether he ever gave a thought to the damage he was inflicting on the innocent.

    "It was something I was seeing a lot of, whether it was from supervisors or undercovers and even investigators," he said.

    "It's almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they're going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway."
    ...it certainly doesn't help. I guess allowing a false arrest record to follow that person around for their entire life is perfectly fine.

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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    When I read news stories like this... and when I watch (some) true crime tv shows... I always get this visual of several LEOs in a break room discussing their negative reputation in society. And all of them are truly and honestly perplexed as to why nobody trusts them.

    This! THIS type of crap, facilitated by what I will call the "bad apples" of police, is exactly why police in general have a negative public image.

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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just when I thought I could agree with you, you come up with this: "I'm sure they got pressure from their superiors to make these arrests." As if this somehow excuses them from disenfranchising hundreds of people of their freedom, costing millions of dollars in public defender and private-pay, destroying families...all with trumped up charges. Good grief. Blame the coppers, for God's sake. I swear, there's no accountability any more.
    I didn't excuse anybody, I pointed out that more than one group of people in the police department may share the blame. For some reason, you seem to think that pointing out the existence of a culture which encourages corruption is 'excusing' those who succumb to it. You make that leap of logic in education threads when I point out the culture in the education system and now you're making the leap of logic here.

    If such pressure exists, which I definitely believe it does, then police officers who succumb to the pressure are responsible for their actions and their false arrests. Those who pressure them are also responsible for their actions, particularly if their pressure was of the sort that threatens someone's job or pay. The only person here who isn't holding people accountable is you since you clutch your pearls at the mere suggestion that we shouldn't excuse those who encourage corruption.
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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    When I read news stories like this... and when I watch (some) true crime tv shows... I always get this visual of several LEOs in a break room discussing their negative reputation in society. And all of them are truly and honestly perplexed as to why nobody trusts them.

    This! THIS type of crap, facilitated by what I will call the "bad apples" of police, is exactly why police in general have a negative public image.
    Well, it's also important to note that not every LEO is corrupt. A lot of LEOs just want to keep the community safe and sound. So not every police officer is like that.

    Just like with everything, there's good and there's bad. So we shouldn't indict all police officers nationwide for what a squad in one city does.

    But while I think we have more legit cops that we have corrupt ones, we still need to push for reforms for our systems of law.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former

    A few years ago the Dallas PD had a problem with arresting people for fake drugs. I thought that that was the lowest a group of people could go. As a group, they could walk under a snake, standing up. I would spit on those dudes. Framing innocent people to make arrest quotas should be punishable by death by flame-thrower. Those pukes will probably be out in a few years. Never to work in law enforcement again.
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