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Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

TheNextEra said:
It's quite simple, if you don't like it, you are more than welcome to pack your bags and move to a country where you feel will treat you better.

And yet, you, Conservative, Turtle, and countless others that complain about this have not left the U.S.

Wonder why? Oh yeah, because in the long run it really isn't that bad.
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I did the next best thing, moved to TX so whatever "your" President does will have little affect on me and my family. I am still waiting for someone to explain to the group how raising taxes on the rich benefits anyone and how any rich person made you poorer? Of course i doubt it is about you but more about you lack of understanding as to what the problem is. Do you really think that people who aren't paying any FIT care about raising the taxes on those who are? What will that do for the economy?
 
liblady said:
seems to me you asked for a pro-conservative policy, and this is one. or is helping small business not something conservatives care for? republicans just vote against obama NO MATTER WHAT.
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The policy is typical liberal tax policy that comes with strings. Do you even know what that bill does? It helps no one thus got only two Republican votes, all symbolism over substance.
 
FFDP666 said:
Lets have a "DID YOU KNOW" moment, shall we? DID YOU KNOW: that income taxes for people who are not rich do not account for the majority of their tax burden, sure the lower income brackets don't pay income tax but thats because they don't have THAT much income to begin with buddy ol pal, which is why the rich freak out when you go after their income tax rates, because thats where most of their tax burden is. So now that we have easily established that a huge majority of Americans want to raise taxes on the rich, why is it a good idea? well its not, by itself, if anyone wanted to get serious about things, we will need to raise taxes on everybody at least a little bit, you can't pay off the debt by just taxing the rich, that being said, its also stupid as hell, to just ignore them as a source of tax revenue, and its not just income tax. We need to massively increase the taxes on the rich investment banker types. Capital gains, dividend tax etc are ungodly low, which is why those rich folks actually pay less in taxes than you or i when it comes to a percentage.

also cutting spending overseas is a must as well, and maybe even some domestic spending if needed
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yes, i do know that thus the joke that liberals make of this issue. FIT funds the FEDERAL GOVT. Do you understand that? how is raising the taxes on one class going to help the economy? How did any rich person hurt you or your family? Those evil rich people now pay for 38% of the Federal Income taxes collected and 47% of income earning households don't pay any Federal Income tax. Is that paying their fair share?
 
Conservative said:
...How did any rich person hurt you or your family? Those evil rich people now pay for 38% of the Federal Income taxes collected and 47% of income earning households don't pay any Federal Income tax. Is that paying their fair share?
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life isn't fair. we ask rich people to pay more in taxes than poorer people. its the way it is.
 
TheNextEra said:
It's quite simple, if you don't like it, you are more than welcome to pack your bags and move to a country where you feel will treat you better.

And yet, you, Conservative, Turtle, and countless others that complain about this have not left the U.S.

Wonder why? Oh yeah, because in the long run it really isn't that bad.
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The run is no longer that long. The debt continues to increase and there is no national or political will to turn things around. The President has also initiated class warfare as well, turning Americans against each other rather than leading and bringing all Americans together.

Long run? How long do you think it will last?
 
Conservative said:
yes, i do know that thus the joke that liberals make of this issue. FIT funds the FEDERAL GOVT. Do you understand that? how is raising the taxes on one class going to help the economy? How did any rich person hurt you or your family? Those evil rich people now pay for 38% of the Federal Income taxes collected and 47% of income earning households don't pay any Federal Income tax. Is that paying their fair share?
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Yes, that's the result of Republican policies. Did you forget that?

Amazing isn't it? The rich get richer and they owe more taxes. The poor get poorer and they fall to a point where they don't owe any taxes. Republican policy in action.
 
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Thunder said:
life isn't fair. we ask rich people to pay more in taxes than poorer people. its the way it is.
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That doesn't answer the question nor does it explain why we need a 3.7 trillion dollar federal govt? Is that "fair share" that Obama keeps talking about zero for 47%of INCOME EARNERS?
 
AdamT said:
Yes, that's the result of Republican policies. Did you forget that?
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So repeal the Republican policies and raise taxes on everyone so you can continue to support the 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt, and still run a trillion dollar deficit
 
Conservative said:
yes, i do know that thus the joke that liberals make of this issue. FIT funds the FEDERAL GOVT. Do you understand that? how is raising the taxes on one class going to help the economy? How did any rich person hurt you or your family? Those evil rich people now pay for 38% of the Federal Income taxes collected and 47% of income earning households don't pay any Federal Income tax. Is that paying their fair share?
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Do you realize the lowest quintile of those paying FIT pay a higher percentage of all taxes now than they did before the Bush tax cuts?
 
pbrauer said:
Do you realize the lowest quintile of those paying FIT pay a higher percentage of all taxes now than they did before the Bush tax cuts?
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The issue is FEDERAL INCOME TAXES not other tax burdens. Suggest you learn what each tax was supposed to fund and stop confusing the various taxes. Still waiting for your definition of "fair share" because apparently it is zero for 47% of the income earning households.
 
Conservative said:
So repeal the Republican policies and raise taxes on everyone so you can continue to support the 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt, and still run a trillion dollar deficit
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Eventually that will happen, and because of it we will have manageable deficits. Just like we would have if Reagan and Bush hadn't ****ed up the tax code to begin with.
 
Conservative said:
The issue is FEDERAL INCOME TAXES not other tax burdens. Suggest you learn what each tax was supposed to fund and stop confusing the various taxes. Still waiting for your definition of "fair share" because apparently it is zero for 47% of the income earning households.
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That's only the issue because, as usual, the broader context screws up your argument. The truth is that Reagan cut FIT but pumped up payroll taxes to compensate. Now you want to ignore payroll taxes. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
That's only the issue because, as usual, the broader context screws up your argument. The truth is that Reagan cut FIT but pumped up payroll taxes to compensate. Now you want to ignore payroll taxes. :lol:
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Compensate what, SS and Medicare? You have a problem with doing that? Do you really believe it is someone else's responsibility to fund your SS?
 
AdamT said:
Yes, that's the result of Republican policies. Did you forget that?

Amazing isn't it? The rich get richer and they owe more taxes. The poor get poorer and they fall to a point where they don't owe any taxes. Republican policy in action.
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Perhaps if the government stopped using tax dollars to bail out failing enterprises, futile 'stimulus' plans, pay offs to political hacks and instead attempted to present or balance a budget, they might be taken more seriously by serious people. But giving money to these marauders would only encourage them to spend more.

Bailing out the bail out government is not the answer.
 
Conservative said:
Compensate what, SS and Medicare? You have a problem with doing that? Do you really believe it is someone else's responsibility to fund your SS?
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He had to pump up payroll taxes to cover for the drastic reduction in FIT revenue. Now you want to ignore the fact that people are paying higher payroll taxes and bitch because they're paying lower FIT ... which has always been the Republicans' No. 1 goal. It's rather incredible.
 
AdamT said:
He had to pump up payroll taxes to cover for the drastic reduction in FIT revenue. Now you want to ignore the fact that people are paying higher payroll taxes and bitch because they're paying lower FIT ... which has always been the Republicans' No. 1 goal. It's rather incredible.
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So you don't have any problem with your SS being put on budget and used for spending on let's say defense? Brilliant response. SS comes back to you when you retire. Why do you support a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt?
 
Conservative said:
So you don't have any problem with your SS being put on budget and used for spending on let's say defense? Brilliant response. SS comes back to you when you retire. Why do you support a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt?
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I don't really care where it's put, as long as the money is there to pay the checks.
 
AdamT said:
I don't really care where it's put, as long as the money is there to pay the checks.
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Sounds like a true liberal to me,, you don't have a problem with being forced into contributing to SS and then having that money spent on everything other than what it was intended. Where do you think the repayment is going to come from when you retire?
 
Conservative said:
Sounds like a true liberal to me,, you don't have a problem with being forced into contributing to SS and then having that money spent on everything other than what it was intended. Where do you think the repayment is going to come from when you retire?
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As I said, I don't care, as long as it's funded. The way to fund it is to raise sufficient revenue and cut spending so that we have manageable deficits.
 
AdamT said:
As I said, I don't care, as long as it's funded. The way to fund it is to raise sufficient revenue and cut spending so that we have manageable deficits.
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So where is the money going to come from to fund it. We have a known 15 trillion dollar debt and trillions more of debt in the Intergovt. holdings which are SS and Medicare. Better rev up those printing presses, right? Doesn't look like you have a clue.
 
Conservative said:
Sounds like a true liberal to me,, you don't have a problem with being forced into contributing to SS and then having that money spent on everything other than what it was intended. Where do you think the repayment is going to come from when you retire?
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The money is invested in U.S. securities, the proceeds of the sale are put into the Treasury. There is currently approx. $2.4 trillion in the social security trust fund.
 
pbrauer said:
The money is invested in U.S. securities, the proceeds of the sale are put into the Treasury. There is currently approx. $2.4 trillion in the social security trust fund.
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Oh, good Lord, where does the money come from to pay for those securities? You don't have a clue where the money comes from that funds those U.S. Securities. There are IOU's in the trust fund not cash. I cannot believe that you think that having U.S. Securities assures that means actual cash in the future
 
Conservative said:
yes, i do know that thus the joke that liberals make of this issue. FIT funds the FEDERAL GOVT. Do you understand that? how is raising the taxes on one class going to help the economy? How did any rich person hurt you or your family? Those evil rich people now pay for 38% of the Federal Income taxes collected and 47% of income earning households don't pay any Federal Income tax. Is that paying their fair share?
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I just think since, as YOU said, the majority of our tax revenue comes from income taxes, and a huge chunk of income taxes comes from the richest in the country, and since their rate is the LOWEST ITS EVER BEEN IN HISTORY!!!...why not raise that as but one part in reducing the debt and paying for important parts of government? Now, come on, you have to admit, thats not so bad.

Also, like i said before, those 47 percent, don't pay income tax, and as a whole, it wouldn't amount to much anyway if you collected an income tax from them, but on an individual level, they need that money MUCH more than any high earner ever possibly could. I'll stop with the stupid sarcasm, if you can tell me why considering taxes for the rich are at their lowest point or at least one of their lowest points ever in American history, we can't raise it a bit as part of a bigger action to help fix our financial issues.
 
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And since ^that stuff i said, is a big part of Occupy Wall Streets message, I thus support them.
 
FFDP666;1060022959]I just think since, as YOU said, the majority of our tax revenue comes from income taxes, and a huge chunk of income taxes comes from the richest in the country, and since their rate is the LOWEST ITS EVER BEEN IN HISTORY!!!...why not raise that as but one part in reducing the debt and paying for important parts of government? Now, come on, you have to admit, thats not so bad.
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Because first of all that is naive, the bureaucrats in DC buy votes with their spending and there is no interest in cutting spending at all. Further there isn't enough revenue available from the rich to make a difference and the consequences are something liberals never think about

Also, like i said before, those 47 percent, don't pay income tax, and as a whole, it wouldn't amount to much anyway if you collected an income tax from them, but on an individual level, they need that money MUCH more than any high earner ever possibly could. I'll stop with the stupid sarcasm, if you can tell me why considering taxes for the rich are at their lowest point or at least one of their lowest points ever in American history, we can't raise it a bit as part of a bigger action to help fix our financial issues.
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Federal Income taxes fund the Federal Govt. and everyone benefits from that govt. not just the rich that pay 38% of all the FIT revenue and 47% of households paying zero. is zero their fair share? There are about 140 million working Americans and that is approximate 116 million households so 47% of those households consists of tens of millions of income earners not paying FIT so it is hardly insignificant.

Tax rates are the lowest but not tax collections which were up both after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. just because you cut rates doesn't mean you cut revenue. The rich are paying a greater share now than they paid prior to the tax cuts so what you are being told is simply wrong.
 
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