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Catawba · Dec 1, 2011

Conservative said:
As usual, you pass off predictions as fact, still waiting for the 6 trillion dollar number as well as how much revenue will be generated from those evil rich people that you don't like. I have posted GDP numbers and I have posted Federal Income tax numbers, all actual. Where are those in the predictions?

More lip flapping and nothing to refute the facts the estimates were based on.

Conservative · Dec 1, 2011

Catawba said:
More lip flapping and nothing to refute the facts the estimates were based on.

nothing to refute as it didn't happen. There was no reduction in revenue especially not 6 trillion dollars as you indicated. Anyone can put numbers together and claim they are projections. You haven't proven those projections right

Conservative · Dec 1, 2011

Catawba said:
More lip flapping and nothing to refute the facts the estimates were based on.

From the article and you call the article factual?

Last week, we somewhat rashly speculated that the actual size of the Bush tax cuts might be lower because they were based on revenue estimates that ultimately fell far short of what was predicted in 2001. The true “cost” to the Treasury may never be known. Economists generally agree there are feedback effects from lower tax rates and the like, but little consensus has been reached on what that might be.

Then there is this

Those estimates have never been updated, even as the economy and the budget have moved on.

Then this

First, although the JCT has not gone back and rescored the 2001 tax cuts, the committee recently estimated the revenue impact of virtually the same tax cut — the two-year extension negotiated by President Obama and the Congress.

Estimates, predictions, and nothing factual. your 6 trillion dollar number is bogus just like most of your posts.

Catawba · Dec 1, 2011

Conservative said:
nothing to refute as it didn't happen. There was no reduction in revenue especially not 6 trillion dollars as you indicated. Anyone can put numbers together and claim they are projections. You haven't proven those projections right

I'll give you another shot at them, can you prove any of the facts wrong, any at all?

"The Facts

President Bush instituted two big tax cuts, one in 2001 and another in 2003. The first was implemented amid rosy predictions of a 10-year, $5.6 trillion surplus; the second was enacted after the economy appeared to stumble after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

When the tax cuts were passed, the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation estimated how much they might reduce revenue: the 2001 tax cuts was pegged at $1.35 trillion over 10 years; the 2003 tax cut was set at $350 billion over 10 years.

Those estimates have never been updated, even as the economy and the budget have moved on.

Here are two ways to look at how the 2001 numbers might be different today.

First, although the JCT has not gone back and rescored the 2001 tax cuts, the committee recently estimated the revenue impact of virtually the same tax cut — the two-year extension negotiated by President Obama and the Congress. For simplicity, and because some elements were changed in other parts of the tax cut, we will focus just on the reductions in individual taxes.

In 2001, the JCT estimated that the tax-rate package would reduce revenues by $115 billion in 2010. In December, the extension of those tax rates in 2012 was estimated to cost $105 billion. (We have to skip 2011 for complicated, technical reasons not worth explaining.)

The $10 billion difference means the cost of the tax rates rose about 5 percent each year. At that trend, the 2001 prediction of the 2012 tax rate package would have been about $126 billion.

In other words, the current estimate of the cost of the 2012 tax rate reductions is 17 percent lower than what would have been predicted under the 2001 methodology.

This shift, however, appears to be largely because of the impact of the recession, which devastated all government revenues. The reduction is less dramatic if you go back all the way to 2001.

To do this, we compared the Congressional Budget Office’s 2001 prediction for the gross domestic product for each fiscal year. Then we looked up the actual GDP, found in the historical records of the White House Budget Office (Table 10.1). It was lower for each year, and we used the resulting ratio to adjust the size of the tax cut for each year. (Generally, the 2001 tax cut was just under or just above 1 percent of GDP.)

Under this method, for most years, the impact was minimal, just a slight reduction. But when the recession hit in 2008, and the GDP turned out to be 10 percent below predictions for three straight years, the cost of the tax cut was reduced by billions of dollars each year.

Over the 10-year period, the overall size of the tax cut dropped about 5 percent, or $65 billion, to $1.285 trillion. Some people might call that a rounding error in the context of a ten-year federal budget."
Revisiting the cost of the Bush tax cuts - The Fact Checker - The Washington Post

Conservative · Dec 1, 2011

Catawba said:
I'll give you another shot at them, can you prove any of the facts wrong, any at all?

"The Facts

President Bush instituted two big tax cuts, one in 2001 and another in 2003. The first was implemented amid rosy predictions of a 10-year, $5.6 trillion surplus; the second was enacted after the economy appeared to stumble after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

When the tax cuts were passed, the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation estimated how much they might reduce revenue: the 2001 tax cuts was pegged at $1.35 trillion over 10 years; the 2003 tax cut was set at $350 billion over 10 years.

Those estimates have never been updated, even as the economy and the budget have moved on.

Here are two ways to look at how the 2001 numbers might be different today.

First, although the JCT has not gone back and rescored the 2001 tax cuts, the committee recently estimated the revenue impact of virtually the same tax cut — the two-year extension negotiated by President Obama and the Congress. For simplicity, and because some elements were changed in other parts of the tax cut, we will focus just on the reductions in individual taxes.

In 2001, the JCT estimated that the tax-rate package would reduce revenues by $115 billion in 2010. In December, the extension of those tax rates in 2012 was estimated to cost $105 billion. (We have to skip 2011 for complicated, technical reasons not worth explaining.)

The $10 billion difference means the cost of the tax rates rose about 5 percent each year. At that trend, the 2001 prediction of the 2012 tax rate package would have been about $126 billion.

In other words, the current estimate of the cost of the 2012 tax rate reductions is 17 percent lower than what would have been predicted under the 2001 methodology.

This shift, however, appears to be largely because of the impact of the recession, which devastated all government revenues. The reduction is less dramatic if you go back all the way to 2001.

To do this, we compared the Congressional Budget Office’s 2001 prediction for the gross domestic product for each fiscal year. Then we looked up the actual GDP, found in the historical records of the White House Budget Office (Table 10.1). It was lower for each year, and we used the resulting ratio to adjust the size of the tax cut for each year. (Generally, the 2001 tax cut was just under or just above 1 percent of GDP.)

Under this method, for most years, the impact was minimal, just a slight reduction. But when the recession hit in 2008, and the GDP turned out to be 10 percent below predictions for three straight years, the cost of the tax cut was reduced by billions of dollars each year.

Over the 10-year period, the overall size of the tax cut dropped about 5 percent, or $65 billion, to $1.285 trillion. Some people might call that a rounding error in the context of a ten-year federal budget."
Revisiting the cost of the Bush tax cuts - The Fact Checker - The Washington Post

As I posted, it was never rescored and here is your problem

the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation estimated how much they might reduce revenue

Those tax cuts didn't lower revenue, they grew revenue so your numbers are bogus

Sunbelt · Dec 1, 2011

Catawba said:
I'll give you another shot at them, can you prove any of the facts wrong, any at all?

"The Facts

President Bush instituted two big tax cuts....

I'll give YOU another shot. If you can't prove that Barack Obama hasn't caused more damage to this country than George Bush, then there is no choice but to focus on the bigger menace. Lay out your defense for Hussein, and after that, I'll do the same for George W.

The Barbarian · Dec 2, 2011

Ha,ha, that is too funny. The ignorant seem to amass in the Republican party, who want to do away with education and who think that people like Bachmann, Perry and Cain are presidential material. They turn away from Cain because of his infidelity to give their support to one of the worst people when it comes to infidelity. Gingrich has been married three times and never waited until he was divorced before he started exchanging DNA with his new partners. And, most Republican/conservatives either don't know or don't remember that if it wasn't for unions we would still have children working, you wouldn't be entitled to vacations, pregnant women would not be allowed to work, and companies could pay you pennies while they rake in millions. Oh, that last one, they are still able to do to a certain extent, but I guess middle-class Republicans are to dumb to realize it. Oh, and Gingrich wants to put children back to work - now that's a brilliant idea. Let them do the janitorial work, so they can pay them pennies and put a bunch of low-income janitors out of work. Is that the type of intelligence you are boasting about?

Hmm and that is all you can find wrong with good ole newt? Boy you must really despise Clinton then right ? He wasn't fit to be President of the US for what he did is that what you are saying? Or is it just those on the left that can screw around on their wifes ….. but if one on the right does it, it disqualifies them?

Do away with education? Who is for that ? Right now in this country we spend more per student then any other country in the world? We should have the best educated students in the world, and we don't and are losing ground to the rest of the world. The problem I have with liberals, is their only solution to a problem is to spend more money on it and it will be fixed.

I think most would agree with this, unions were a good thing, but they have evolved into something that is not helpful in any way to the US. To big, to powerful, and more concerned with their dues, then keeping a company in business and paying a reasonable wage that both employee's and business owners can live with.

As for kids working, I see nothing wrong with it .. I worked after school and weekends, no one is saying put the kids to work in factories, so stop with the wild accusations that are pure nonsense.

There you go assuming again. Aren't you familiar with that old expression, assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me". Just because I care about the unemployed, the people who were conned by bankers into buying homes they couldn't afford, (bankers who were bailed out with taxpayer money when they were hurting, but instead of passing on their good fortune and help those that now needed help, instead just took their houses), doesn't mean that I have been foreclosed, unemployed or financially hurting. I have a beautiful home and everything I need, but unlike most greedy conservatives, I realize that others have not been as fortunate. I'm sure that many that find themselves in those situations were doing all the things you claim you have done, but one can't predict when one's workplace is suddenly going to fold. So, don't be so arrogant in assuming that it didn't happen to you because you were so upright in everything you did, you were just lucky. And, the bankers that came begging for help from the government, why didn't they understand the consequences of their poor choices and just suck it up?

If people were conned by bankers into buying houses they couldn't afford, then shame on the people, I have never heard on a single case of anyone being dragged in off the street and forced into a loan. “People” have to take responsibility for their actions
Yes the bankers were bailed out with tax payer money, and that is another discussion, but the reality of it is, that most of those banks have already paid back that money with interest The majority of money that has not been paid back is from Freddy and Fannie (about 150 billion) Chrysler and GM still owe about 40 billion. So while I have no sympathy for the banks, they can hardly be compared to people that have been forclosed on.

When the state, local communities, and charities are not able to handle the job most conservatives will just say "oh well, let them eat cake". I'm sure most Reps/cons would be perfectly happy if nobody took care of it, and the poor would just die or disappear. But, someone has to pick up the slack. The states, communities and charities are not up to the job. They don't have the resources nor the money to help all the people that need help. Where did you learn that it was okay to ignore the needy? Like the greedy bankers who couldn't be bothered to work out some plan to help people keep their homes, they were out of the hole, so why should they care about anyone else. It is easy to imagine that people who are in dire straits got there through their stupid choices and therefore they need to wallow in their consequences, however, that is not always the case, and it is not Christian to think that way

See now you are making an ass of your self by assuming what conservatives are thinking. ( you do know what they say about those that that assume aren't you?) No one wants the poor to die or disappear altho if disappear meant not be poor anymore I'm for that. What conservatives that I know want, is a system that doesn't keep people in poverty with hand outs that are enough to keep them there but nothing more. This is another of them systems that is broken, we waste so much money on those that abuse the system, that those that really need the help often times have trouble getting it. We have too many 2nd and 3rd generation families on welfare. We need to rethink the way we handle the poor, getting a system set up to get them an education (2year trade school or community college) aid for another year after schooling, then they are on their own. To conservatives that answer is not more people receiving welfare but less, so the money in that program can go to those that cannot work and really need it.

The Christian way is to help get people back on their feet, not to keep them living in poverty.

For the last 30 or 40 years we have done it the liberal way, just keep throwing money at things and hope they will get better. It has taken up 15 trillion dollars in debt. It should be obvious that it's not working, we need to change our thinking, to fixing broken programs making them more efficient and in the long run less expensive. We need to think of our government programs as a business, where we get the best results for our dollar, rather then spend... spend .. and spend some more and hope things get better.

Oh and just for the liberals out there, when I say liberals … I'm talking both parties, the last 15 years or so of republicans can hardly be called conservatives by any stretch of the imagination.

The bottom line is jobs, we can educated and train people forever, but if they have no jobs to go to that education is worthless. Whatever it takes to get industry back and growing in this country we need to be doing it. I admit to not knowing what that will take, but our leaders better be sitting down with business leaders and finding out. Because I do agree with this we are losing our blue collar middle class and it's because industry is fleeing our country left and right. We either do whatever is necessary to get industry back in this country, or we will continue to fight a losing battle, to me and in my opinion we have no other options.

The Barbarian · Dec 2, 2011

Sunbelt said:
I'll give YOU another shot. If you can't prove that Barack Obama hasn't caused more damage to this country than George Bush, then there is no choice but to focus on the bigger menace. Lay out your defense for Hussein, and after that, I'll do the same for George W.

He can't ...... that's exactly why they continue to bring up an President that has had no say in anything for 3 years now. It's easier ....and you have to remember always the liberal mantra .. . take no responsibility for anything, and above all else .. blame someone else.

The Barbarian · Dec 2, 2011

Catawba said:
More lip flapping and nothing to refute the facts the estimates were based on.

There is no need to refute a fantasy ... and that at best is all you are presenting as facts ..

You are showing no facts at all .. the estimate of us losing 6 trillion dollars has no factual basis behind it at all ..

For example, you are comparing taxes lost only on the way the economy went after the tax cuts … what if our economy would have grown say 20% less for two years if the tax cuts wouldn't have been made? Can you prove or provide an statical data to show how the economy would have grown with out the tax cuts ? If you can't then you have no facts to present.

You claim that Obama saved us from a depression with his spending right ? Using that same logic wouldn't it be fair to say that the recession of 2001 could have been much worse without the tax cuts to “stimulate” the economy?

I don't mean to sound condescending but how in the hell can you sit there and argue an estimated number of loss by tax cut that happened, when you or anyone else has no idea of what would have happened had that tax cut not taken place? Your estimated number of 6 trillion is nothing but a fantasy, and anyone with half a brain would realize that.

Catawba · Dec 2, 2011

Conservative said:
As I posted, it was never rescored and here is your problem
Those tax cuts didn't lower revenue, they grew revenue so your numbers are bogus

Nope, they took that into consideration in their downgrading of the figures from the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Catawba · Dec 2, 2011

Sunbelt said:
I'll give YOU another shot. If you can't prove that Barack Obama hasn't caused more damage to this country than George Bush, then there is no choice but to focus on the bigger menace. Lay out your defense for Hussein, and after that, I'll do the same for George W.

I don't know of any damage Obama has done except to extend the war longer in Afghanistan longer than necessary, but since none of the other candidates are calling for taking them out sooner, except Ron Paul, that is not a deciding factor.

Here is a list of about 90 of Obama's accomplishments however that I posted already back in post #760:

"1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

Oh, and he built a swing set for the girls outside the Oval Office.

Did I mention he passed health care reform ?"

Let's see your list of GOP accomplishments?

Gill · Dec 2, 2011

Did you actually post this with a straight face ???? Thanks for the best laugh I've had in awhile.

I'll comment on the first few, but all of them are left-wing talking points that no sane person would believe.

Catawba said:
I don't know of any damage Obama has done except to extend the war longer in Afghanistan longer than necessary, but since none of the other candidates are calling for taking them out sooner, except Ron Paul, that is not a deciding factor.

Here is a list of about 90 of Obama's accomplishments however that I posted already back in post #760:

"1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending

Really? How much spending has been cut ??

2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices

Really? How much spending has been cut??

3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women

Wonderful.

4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq

Yep, on the time table that Bush established before he left office.

5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB

Wonderful

6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information

Never was a "media blackout".

7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family

Maybe he should have asked the families first..........

WASHINGTON -- A White House photographer was allowed to take and widely distribute a photo from the ceremony Tuesday for the return of the remains of 30 American troops killed in a weekend helicopter crash in Afghanistan despite the Pentagon's claim that any public depiction of the scene would violate the wishes of bereaved families.

News media coverage of the ceremony had been banned by the Pentagon over the objections of several news organizations.

Pentagon officials had said that because 19 of 30 of the American families of the dead had objected to media coverage of the remains coming off a plane at Dover Air Force Base, no images could be taken. In addition, the Pentagon rejected media requests to take photos that showed officials at the ceremony but did not depict caskets.

White House Photo Of Dead Troops Ceremony Sparks Protest

8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act

Really??

Per the FOIA guidelines, requests must be answered within 20 days. The requests below are still pending after the 20 day deadline has passed.
2010

Revocation of the T-1 Rule, Submitted August 12, 2010
Revocation of LM-30, Submitted August 12, 2010
Department of Labor Online Enforcement Database from ASP, EBSA, OASAM, OFCCP, OSEC, OSHA, SOL, WHD. Submitted August 12, 2010
Requests from Labor Union Organizations for an Executive Order from the OLC and OMB, Submitted August 12, 2010
High Road Contracting Initiative, Submitted August 12, 2010
Americans for Limited Government HHS PHS Act Section 2711 Waivers Request, Submitted November 1, 2010

Obama Administration FOIA Violations - Wikicountability

9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible

You mean like this ???

The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.

This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.

U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrol

10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House

This is the funniest one yet !!!!

President Barack Obama has repeatedly violated his innovative campaign promise to ban lobbyists from his administration by hiring at least a dozen to high-profile positions, including several to his cabinet.

Obama’s famously coined lobbyists “won’t find a job in my White House” rhetoric has turned out to be a bad a joke, proving that, mainstream media adulation aside, he’s no different than most politicians. Broken campaign promises have for decades been par for the course among the nation’s most famous elected figures and the 44th president evidently is no exception.

Obama White House A Lobbyist Haven | Judicial Watch

Don't have time to the rest, but they are as funny and untrue as the ones above.

Thanks for the giggle.

j-mac · Dec 2, 2011

Boo Radley said:
When will you learn, stupid is not something that anyone should address. The articles present no real facts, but wildly gross hyperbolic nonsense. Only a fool takes something like those things seriously or worthy of addressing. Try finding something more acurate and less hyperbolic. Like I said, if you ever really present anything factual, I'll address it.

So instead of showing the superiority of your argument, and dismantling the articles claims, you choose to attack me personally, I should have guessed Joe. Your meme of bias is something we can look through is utter BS, and you only apply your standard one way, which makes this post to me above, extremely childish, and an utter FAIL! Why don't you try actually addressing the points made, instead of spending most of your time dodging, and attacking those that disagree with your puerile viewpoint of what should or should not be accepted as worthy of your response.

Don't personally attack me again Joe.

j-mac

j-mac · Dec 2, 2011

Catawba said:
I don't know of any damage Obama has done except to extend the war longer in Afghanistan longer than necessary, but since none of the other candidates are calling for taking them out sooner, except Ron Paul, that is not a deciding factor.

Here is a list of about 90 of Obama's accomplishments however that I posted already back in post #760:

"1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

Oh, and he built a swing set for the girls outside the Oval Office.

Did I mention he passed health care reform ?"

Let's see your list of GOP accomplishments?

:lamo Are you kidding? I don't think you could rattle those off in person with a straight face....:lamo

j-mac

Conservative · Dec 2, 2011

j-mac said:
:lamo Are you kidding? I don't think you could rattle those off in person with a straight face....:lamo

j-mac

Amazing, isn't it, announced his intention to, ordered reviews and studies, authorized discussions, attempting, put the ball in play, etc. All things that make liberals feel good but nothing concrete or specific results to make things better. Liberals are always impressed by rhetoric and feelings but not facts. The Obama results trump the rhetoric and flowery words. Catawba will never address that reality.

Boo Radley · Dec 2, 2011

j-mac said:
So instead of showing the superiority of your argument, and dismantling the articles claims, you choose to attack me personally, I should have guessed Joe. Your meme of bias is something we can look through is utter BS, and you only apply your standard one way, which makes this post to me above, extremely childish, and an utter FAIL! Why don't you try actually addressing the points made, instead of spending most of your time dodging, and attacking those that disagree with your puerile viewpoint of what should or should not be accepted as worthy of your response.

Don't personally attack me again Joe.

j-mac

You don't show superior of your own argument by giving credence to stupid. This continues to be a flaw in your thinking j.

Sorry.

But when you quote sheer silliness, no one should ever address it. No one.

There are no facts in your articles. No actual arguemnts. Only hyperbolic drum beats of we hate liberals. There is no sense in debating that silliness.

:2funny:

Oh, and J, I'm not attacking you. Not in the least. The worse view painted on you is what you do yourself in posting such things. I merely point out they are silly. I have not said you are silly. The articles and writers you use are silly.

j-mac · Dec 2, 2011

Boo Radley said:
You don't show superior of your own argument by giving credence to stupid. This continues to be a flaw in your thinking j.

Sorry.

But when you quote sheer silliness, no one should ever address it. No one.

There are no facts in your articles. No actual arguemnts. Only hyperbolic drum beats of we hate liberals. There is no sense in debating that silliness.

:2funny:

Oh, and J, I'm not attacking you. Not in the least. The worse view painted on you is what you do yourself in posting such things. I merely point out they are silly. I have not said you are silly. The articles and writers you use are silly.

Sorry Joe, another FAIL posted by yourself here. Either address what you think is wrong with what I posted without attack, or give it up dude, you look silly.

j-mac

Boo Radley · Dec 2, 2011

j-mac said:
Sorry Joe, another FAIL posted by yourself here. Either address what you think is wrong with what I posted without attack, or give it up dude, you look silly.

j-mac

J, I've told you wah tis wrong. All you gave was a hyperbolic rant saying liberlas are evil. There is no "meat" in that to address. I can't take such rants seriously. Nor should anyone. Sorry.

Now, if you psot something that is based on something logical, I'll respond to it. :coffeepap

Thunder · Dec 2, 2011

The very sad thing about all of this is, many middle-class Americans support the 1% because they think the filthy-rich help them & support them. This couldn't be further from the truth.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 2, 2011

Thunder said:
The very sad thing about all of this is, many middle-class Americans support the 1% because they think the filthy-rich help them & support them. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Nice strawman, did you have help with that?

Thunder · Dec 2, 2011

ReverendHellh0und said:
Nice strawman, did you have help with that?

you clearly have no idea what a strawman argument is.

the wealthiest 1% in this country don't give a **** about the middle-class, hence their constant outsourcing of jobs and mass-layoffss...while their profits continue to soar.

helping the Middle-class in America stay that way...or even progress, is the LAST thing on the minds of the 1%.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 2, 2011

Thunder said:
you clearly have no idea what a strawman argument is.

the wealthiest 1% in this country don't give a **** about the middle-class, hence their constant outsourcing of jobs and mass-layoffss...while their profits continue to soar.

helping the Middle-class in America stay that way...or even progress, is the LAST thing on the minds of the 1%.

Who made this argument here?

The very sad thing about all of this is, many middle-class Americans support the 1% because they think the filthy-rich help them & support them. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Show us middle class americans supporting the.... what you said. I'll wait.

Thunder · Dec 2, 2011

ReverendHellh0und said:
...Show us middle class americans supporting the.... what you said. I'll wait.

Middle-class GOPers who don't want taxes raised on the 1%.

Middle-class GOPers who want regulations reduced on big factories and other large companies.

Lenin had a word for such foolish people.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 2, 2011

Thunder said:
Middle-class GOPers who don't want taxes raised on the 1%.

Middle-class GOPers who want regulations reduced on big factories and other large companies.

You can back up your claims with substance anytime now.

Lenin had a word for such foolish people.

Sigmund Freud had a word for your statement, "projection".

Thunder · Dec 2, 2011

ReverendHellh0und said:
You can back up your claims with substance anytime now.....

middle-class GOPers want taxes raised on the wealthy????

don't they consider this to be "class-warfare"??

:lamo

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