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Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

Even context doesn't phase an ideologue, Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 which means the purse strings as well as legislative agenda. Job losses didn't start occurring until mid 2008 and beyond. They continued through most of 2009 even after the Obama stimulus passed for shovel ready projects in Feb. 2009. Guess you missed that context

See, that's the thing. You actually have to look at the WHOLE context -- not just the parts that support your prefab political spin. Otherwise you just get dismissed.
 
Right, and there was also that big fairy dust storm that caused employers to fire 2 million of their employees.

I can see it right here:

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The chart begins with September and October with about 400,000 jobs lost each month (how many new demands for unemployment are there each month after three years of "Hope and Change"?).

Then we have the election of our first Marxist president. Hope for the future is crushed. He says he is the change he has been waiting for. And the number of jobs lost jumps for just under 400,000 jobs lost to around 600,000 jobs lost (some web sites report as many as 750,000 jobs lost). The job losses stay in that range from November when the one term Marxist president Obama is elected until he uses taxpayer money to fund public sector union jobs in the 50, or is it 57, states.

We can fix this error the American people made in 2012 if the 53% who pay the federal taxes vote in numbers greater than the 47% who do not pay the federal income tax.
 
Construction jobs are always temporary that the ****ing point.

Then why did you call them "temporary" construction jobs? Isn't that rather redundant? The fact is that construction workers are always moving from project to project and this would be a big one for them. Did you know the Teamsters union supports this projects for the jobs it will create?

And aren't construction jobs for thousands of people a good thing? Wouldn't that get the economy moving better than throwing tax dollars at artificial jobs, or hiring more government employees?

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Construction jobs are real jobs for a real project that will greatly benefit the American people over the long term.

You made the false claim that this project would only create "a couple of hundred jobs" and naturally didn't submit a link to support this canard. People like yourself should always submit links to support any statement they make.
 
Then don't complain about unemployment. There's no magic to jobs. You need employed people who spend. The fewer of those, the less business will invest. Cut government jobs, you have less employed people spending, thus less business expanding or hiring. You have to see the contection between demand and supply. No demand, no one supplies.

This might come as a surprise to you but government jobs come at a net loss to the system. The Leftists seem to seriously believe that if everyone worked for the government everyone would be employed, there would be a great demand for more services and all Americans would enjoy a much higher standard of living.

There has to be a revolution in the US education system, and soon.
 
This might come as a surprise to you but government jobs come at a net loss to the system. The Leftists seem to seriously believe that if everyone worked for the government everyone would be employed, there would be a great demand for more services and all Americans would enjoy a much higher standard of living.

There has to be a revolution in the US education system, and soon.

Doesn't really matter does it? No job is a complete loss, right?

And, no, while I believe in education, it really will not fix all problems. I know how much many want a silver bullet, the fact is business works on a very simple premise. If there are buyers, business will come.
 
That's right, in means nothing if you don't view it in context. And viewing it out of context is your thing.

You seem to be viewing it through those fairy dust storms of yours, whatever they are,

It's obvious when the leftists are losing it they search the net for symbols, as has been done on this thread with "Keep on trucking" and "Boring". Now your fairy dust suggestion.

I suppose the question of our time is,"Do the Leftists even want to be taken seriously"?
 
Doesn't really matter does it? No job is a complete loss, right?

And, no, while I believe in education, it really will not fix all problems. I know how much many want a silver bullet, the fact is business works on a very simple premise. If there are buyers, business will come.

Joe, are there any studies on service based economies, vs. Manufacturing based economies?

j-mac
 
Doesn't really matter does it? No job is a complete loss, right?

It doesn't really matter? Of course it really matters. In fact it really, really matters. And it is a loss. Do you think there is a profit for anyone in hiring government people? Where is it? It is never revenue neutral.

And, no, while I believe in education, it really will not fix all problems. I know how much many want a silver bullet, the fact is business works on a very simple premise. If there are buyers, business will come.

Education might fix the problem of people believing that vast government spending will create prosperity, that trillions of dollars in debt is not a serious problem, that looking about for who to blame rather than offering solutions to these serious problems is the direction to take. Certainly the United States cannot continue as it has done in the past with these sorts of wide spread attitudes. This generation will then truly be the "Lost Generation" because they'll have blown it all.
 
See, that's the thing. You actually have to look at the WHOLE context -- not just the parts that support your prefab political spin. Otherwise you just get dismissed.

This is why no one can take you seriously. Obama helped create when he claims he inherited.
 
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It doesn't really matter? Of course it really matters. In fact it really, really matters. And it is a loss. Do you think there is a profit for anyone in hiring government people? Where is it? It is never revenue neutral.

Of course there is a profit. If I have that job, I have a pay check. For me, that is profit. As I now have money to spend, I spend and this helps business around me. This matters.

Now, if I don't have that job, it is silly to think that magically I'll have another private sector job. With a recession, it is more likley that a number would have no job. Hence, a loss. Without that job, I can't pay my bills, let alone spend.

This is not difficult to follow.

Education might fix the problem of people believing that vast government spending will create prosperity, that trillions of dollars in debt is not a serious problem, that looking about for who to blame rather than offering solutions to these serious problems is the direction to take. Certainly the United States cannot continue as it has done in the past with these sorts of wide spread attitudes. This generation will then truly be the "Lost Generation" because they'll have blown it all.

That's really a false position some push. It is' easier to do than to really consider an issue. Most know that government is not a magic cure or fix, but that we the people can use government to solve larger problems. It won't be magic, or utopia, or solve every problem. Most understand this clearly.

But what we have here is a dicussion about which is better for the economy: Someone working or not working. It's a fairly simple equation.
 
Joe, are there any studies on service based economies, vs. Manufacturing based economies?

j-mac

Do we manufacture here any more? Or are we calling making a cheese burger manufacturing?

However, as this is off what I was dicussing, what do you think you're getting out? Before I go look for studies for you, I'd like to have some idea as to why.
 
Do we manufacture here any more? Or are we calling making a cheese burger manufacturing?

However, as this is off what I was dicussing, what do you think you're getting out? Before I go look for studies for you, I'd like to have some idea as to why.


Well, I was just curious as to what studies are out there that make educators like yourself that I am sure bases your opinions on the emperical works out there that show that a service based private sector, is more stable than a manufacturing based one. Also, why would you say basically, if I am understanding this correctly from you that: "Most know that government is not a magic cure or fix..." When the entirety of the argument from liberals today seems to be that government unrestrained is the answer?


j-mac
 
Well, I was just curious as to what studies are out there that make educators like yourself that I am sure bases your opinions on the emperical works out there that show that a service based private sector, is more stable than a manufacturing based one. Also, why would you say basically, if I am understanding this correctly from you that: "Most know that government is not a magic cure or fix..." When the entirety of the argument from liberals today seems to be that government unrestrained is the answer?
j-mac

As always, members of the far right distort what liberals and moderates stand for. Liberals and moderates believe that both the government and the private sector have legitimate roles to play. We understand that, when the private sector is in recession, it's necessary for the government to step into the breach temporarily, until the private sector regains its footing. We don't have a polarized view where government is evil and the free market is God-like.
 
As always, members of the far right distort what liberals and moderates stand for. Liberals and moderates believe that both the government and the private sector have legitimate roles to play.


Not so good a labels are you? the problem I see with your cover statement about liberals, is that although there are legitimate, and constitutional roles for government, liberals tend to throw those restraints out the window in increments then try to blame their failures on conservatives in the most dishonest fashion.

We understand that, when the private sector is in recession, it's necessary for the government to step into the breach temporarily, until the private sector regains its footing.

Could you please point to the Amendment, or constitutional provision that authorizes this over reach?

We don't have a polarized view where government is evil and the free market is God-like.


That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it.


j-mac
 
Not so good a labels are you? the problem I see with your cover statement about liberals, is that although there are legitimate, and constitutional roles for government, liberals tend to throw those restraints out the window in increments then try to blame their failures on conservatives in the most dishonest fashion.



Could you please point to the Amendment, or constitutional provision that authorizes this over reach?




That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it.


j-mac

The problem that you are both falling prey to is simple generalization.

People who call themselves "liberals" believe lots of different things. This is why labels are pointless. Why does it matter what some groups of people with certain labels believe or don't believe? Does it make the policies being discussed any different? Debate the policies, not the people.
 
"That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it."

Sure, I'm just making it up. It's a liberal myth that the conservative hero's tag line was, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." He never said that government is the problem. :roll:
 
"That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it."

Sure, I'm just making it up. It's a liberal myth that the conservative hero's tag line was, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." He never said that government is the problem. :roll:

See, this is where your straw argument fails miserably. It is not 'government' totally that was being excoriated in that quote, but rather unchecked, unrestrained government.

Government has specific obligations as enumerated in the constitution, and they are supposed to be limited by those that are listed. We don't have a King in this country, and as much as Obama would like to think that he is such, he is not.


j-mac
 
"That is your straw man you are constructing there...Have fun with it."

Sure, I'm just making it up. It's a liberal myth that the conservative hero's tag line was, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." He never said that government is the problem. :roll:[/QUOTE

Adam, you better wake up and realize what is happening to you. You entrust your future to a federal govt. that has created a 15+ trillion debt and has over reached into areas that it doesn't belong. Now you are seeing the movement to total control of the healthcare system. That is a very naive view of the future and total ignorance of history.

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Well, I was just curious as to what studies are out there that make educators like yourself that I am sure bases your opinions on the emperical works out there that show that a service based private sector, is more stable than a manufacturing based one. Also, why would you say basically, if I am understanding this correctly from you that: "Most know that government is not a magic cure or fix..." When the entirety of the argument from liberals today seems to be that government unrestrained is the answer?


j-mac

Whether I believe that or not is secondary to the point I never said I did. Perhaps you can tell me why you make this leap?

And you don't really listen to the liberal argument j. Like so many, you argue with what you want to believ eit is rather than actually listen to the argument. I agree that it is easier to argue a strawman, but it is hard for us to reply when you're not addressing what we actually say.

Anyway, please mark for me where I said anything about manufacturing or service based economies. If you can, I'll respond to what I said.

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Whether I believe that or not is secondary to the point I never said I did. Perhaps you can tell me why you make this leap?

And you don't really listen to the liberal argument j. Like so many, you argue with what you want to believ eit is rather than actually listen to the argument. I agree that it is easier to argue a strawman, but it is hard for us to reply when you're not addressing what we actually say.


Jesus! I am trying to determine that for God's sake! It is extremely frustrating when you won't answer a single question definitively, but rather dodge, and generalize to the point where you can come back and say that you never said anything. It is like trying to have a conversation with Jello.

Anyway, please mark for me where I said anything about manufacturing or service based economies. If you can, I'll respond to what I said.

I never said you did say anything, I asked your opinion on Service v. Manufacturing based economies and you asked me what I meant, I then tried to start off the conversation with an opinion, and now you totally misrepresent what I say, and build a straw argument, never answering the question, and that is my fault?!!! $#!$#$# man! What the hell is the matter with you dude?

j-mac
 
How can it possibly matter how the brainwashed 'view' anything: they see what they are told. The only serious question is, Is it right?
 
How can it possibly matter how the brainwashed 'view' anything: they see what they are told. The only serious question is, Is it right?


Well, even the question of "right" or "wrong" is subjective. I think it is interesting to have these conversations, rather than the usual black and white conversations. If that were the only reason to have an opinion, then boards like this wouldn't have any use would they?

j-mac
 
See, this is where your straw argument fails miserably. It is not 'government' totally that was being excoriated in that quote, but rather unchecked, unrestrained government.

Government has specific obligations as enumerated in the constitution, and they are supposed to be limited by those that are listed. We don't have a King in this country, and as much as Obama would like to think that he is such, he is not.


j-mac

Look, it is plain as day that conservatives spend virtually all of their time excoriating government and blaming government for everything under the sun. To deny that is simply to deny reality.
 
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