Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

Caine · Nov 27, 2011

pbrauer said:
In January 2001 Clinton hands to Bush 111634 jobs
In January 2009 Bush hands Obama 110981 jobs for a net loss of 653 with the economy in deep recession.

Thats not too bad.

pbrauer · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Somehow Obama managed to spend trillions, add 4.4 trillion to the debt and still have a net job loss. that is poor leadership and poor results. Obama economic policy went into effect Feb. 2009 or did you forget? You keep making excuses for Obama, why do you have such low standards when it comes to Democrats?

There is that lie again, Obama didn't spend $4.4 trillion.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
On a 14 trillion dollar economy a 2% gain is how much dollar wise?

Not enough to create a net job gain and reduce the deficit

pbrauer · Nov 27, 2011

Caine said:
Thats not too bad.

Eight years with a net job loss in the private sector and you say it not to bad???

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

pbrauer said:
There is that lie again, Obama didn't spend $4.4 trillion.

No, you are right, he spent more than double that, doesn't take much to spend 4.4 trillion when you have 3.6 trillion dollar budgets. Never stated that he spent 4.4 trillion dollars only that he is responsible for that amount added to the debt. Why do yous still defend this empty suit. You simply cannot prove that you made a bad choice and that only destroys your credibility.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

pbrauer said:
Eight years with a net job loss in the private sector and you say it not to bad???

This is ridiculous, Obama has been in office three years and generated the numbers I continue to post that you continue to ignore. It will be the Obama results on the ballot in 2012 not Bush's and if you want to try and convince the voters that Obama is better than Bush who isn't on the ballot, go for it.

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics ln : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70

11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Not enough to create a net job gain and reduce the deficit

Well duh! And your solution to losing 750k jobs per month plus a negative GDP of 6% as well as a financial system on the verge of collapse would be?

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
Well duh! And your solution to losing 750k jobs per month plus a negative GDP of 6% as well as a financial system on the verge of collapse would be?

How long are you going to give Obama a pass for the results he has generated? Keep making excuses for Obama as we are used to hearing excuses for democrats for years

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
How long are you going to give Obama a pass for the results he has generated?

Pass WTF? The starting point was in the negative when Obama took over on both GDP and jobs.

Caine · Nov 27, 2011

pbrauer said:
Eight years with a net job loss in the private sector and you say it not to bad???

A 653 job loss with a recession isn't that bad.

Governments don't control every aspect of the economy. The government isn't responsible for the recession.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
Pass WTF? The starting point was in the negative when Obama took over on both GDP and jobs.

Put that on the ballot in 2012 and see how it works out of you. I am sure over 25 million unemployed/unemployed Americans aren't as impressed as you are.

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Put that on the ballot in 2012 and see how it works out of you. I am sure over 25 million unemployed/unemployed Americans aren't as impressed as you are.

Keep on truckin' bro

pbrauer · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
This is ridiculous, Obama has been in office three years and generated the numbers I continue to post that you continue to ignore. It will be the Obama results on the ballot in 2012 not Bush's and if you want to try and convince the voters that Obama is better than Bush who isn't on the ballot, go for it.

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics ln : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70

11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com

Gee, where have I seen that before?

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

pbrauer said:
Gee, where have I seen that before?

You are going to see it a lot between now and election day in 2012. Still waiting for you to refute the numbers.

Questions to answer

Are you better off today than you were when Obama took office? Misery Index higher or lower?
Are there more unemployed today than when Obama took office?
Are there fewer unemployed today than when Obama took office?
Is unemployment 8% or less as predicted?
Has the deficit been halved as promised?
Is the GDP growth 4% or higher as predicted?

Those will be questions the voters will answer in 2012

Misterveritis · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
Nah your doing fine at that.

BTW Bush also handed Obama a job market that was losing 750k jobs per month.

Pretty tall order for the new guy coming in.

The one term Marxist president Obama was elected when? November 2008?
And when did job losses get really bad?

Maybe the American people are to blame.

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
You are going to see it a lot between now and election day in 2012. Still waiting for you to refute the numbers.

Questions to answer

Are you better off today than you were when Obama took office? Misery Index higher or lower?

A: Better

Are there more unemployed today than when Obama took office?

A: The job situation is improving by the month, as opposed to losing over 700,000 every month when he took office

Are there fewer unemployed today than when Obama took office?

A: there is positive job growth, versus massive job loss

Is unemployment 8% or less as predicted?

A: it was never predicted that unemployment would be 8% or less. That is an oft-repeated lie.

Has the deficit been halved as promised?

He promised to do it by 2013. Is it 2013 yet?

Is the GDP growth 4% or higher as predicted?

Please post the quote where Obama predicted GDP growth of 4% or higher.

Those will be questions the voters will answer in 2012

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I don't think so. I think the questions voters will answer will be:

Has Obama done as well as he should have, given the fact that he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression?
Who is most responsible for this sad state of affairs: President Obama, the Republican administration and Congress that dropped this mess in his lap, or the Republican opposition that attempts to thwart his every move?
Given the trials that the poor and middle class are facing, are we better off with a President who will support a strong safety net, or one who's primarily interested in protecting the rich?

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Misterveritis said:
The one term Marxist president Obama was elected when? November 2008?
And when did job losses get really bad?

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Maybe the American people are to blame.

He took office on January 20th, 2009. The economy shed (or shat) about 2,000,000 jobs in the preceding five months.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
Conservative said:

You are going to see it a lot between now and election day in 2012. Still waiting for you to refute the numbers.

Questions to answer

Are you better off today than you were when Obama took office? Misery Index higher or lower?

A: Better

Are there more unemployed today than when Obama took office?

A: The job situation is improving by the month, as opposed to losing over 700,000 every month when he took office

Are there fewer unemployed today than when Obama took office?

A: there is positive job growth, versus massive job loss

Is unemployment 8% or less as predicted?

A: it was never predicted that unemployment would be 8% or less. That is an oft-repeated lie.

Has the deficit been halved as promised?

He promised to do it by 2013. Is it 2013 yet?

Is the GDP growth 4% or higher as predicted?

Please post the quote where Obama predicted GDP growth of 4% or higher.

I don't think so. I think the questions voters will answer will be:

Has Obama done as well as he should have, given the fact that he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression?
Who is most responsible for this sad state of affairs: President Obama, the Republican administration and Congress that dropped this mess in his lap, or the Republican opposition that attempts to thwart his every move?
Given the trials that the poor and middle class are facing, are we better off with a President who will support a strong safety net, or one who's primarily interested in protecting the rich?

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What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?

The American people are worse off today than they were in 2009 as the misery index shows. It is 12.53 today vs. 7.83 when Obama took office. Compare results to Reagan's his first three years. Parents still paying your tuition?

Reagan 19.33 14.63 11.77
Obama 7.83 10.90 12.53

Job situation isn't improving, there are 2 million more unemployed today than when he took office and 1.9 million fewer employed
Christina Romer from his Administration made that prediction
Deficit was to be halved by the end of his first term which is 2012. Think that is going to happen.

One of us is going to be wrong and anything that votes for another four years of this is out of touch with reality.

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
AdamT said:

What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?

The American people are worse off today than they were in 2009 as the misery index shows. It is 12.53 today vs. 7.83 when Obama took office. Compare results to Reagan's his first three years. Parents still paying your tuition?

Reagan 19.33 14.63 11.77
Obama 7.83 10.90 12.53

Job situation isn't improving, there are 2 million more unemployed today than when he took office and 1.9 million fewer employed
Christina Romer from his Administration made that prediction
Deficit was to be halved by the end of his first term which is 2012. Think that is going to happen.

One of us is going to be wrong and anything that votes for another four years of this is out of touch with reality.

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And as always, your analysis is completely inane. Of course there are many benchmarks that are worse today; Obama took office just as the worst recession since WWII was approaching its nadir.

You keep barfing up the same numbers as if they mean something, but they are utterly meaningless without context.

Misterveritis · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
He took office on January 20th, 2009. The economy shed (or shat) about 2,000,000 jobs in the preceding five months.

I think it was his election that ended hope.

Nov 2008. That was the month the huge job losses began.

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Misterveritis said:
I think it was his election that ended hope.

Nov 2008. That was the month the huge job losses began.

Right, and there was also that big fairy dust storm that caused employers to fire 2 million of their employees.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
Conservative said:

And as always, your analysis is completely inane. Of course there are many benchmarks that are worse today; Obama took office just as the worst recession since WWII was approaching its nadir.

You keep barfing up the same numbers as if they mean something, but they are utterly meaningless without context.

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I doubt seriously that the American people were worse off with a 7.83 Misery Index vs the 19.33 misery index when Reagan took office so how anyone with a brain can all this recession worse for the American people is beyond comprehension and definitely reflects the youth of today.

You buy the liberal rhetoric so prove that the recession Obama inherited was worse than the one Reagan inherited? I never see anything from you other than the opinions of others and yours. I counter with actual verifiable data that yo uignore.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
Right, and there was also that big fairy dust storm that caused employers to fire 2 million of their employees.

You really are brainwashed, aren't you? Facts and data means nothing to you.

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
You really are brainwashed, aren't you? Facts and data means nothing to you.

That's right, in means nothing if you don't view it in context. And viewing it out of context is your thing.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
That's right, in means nothing if you don't view it in context. And viewing it out of context is your thing.

Even context doesn't phase an ideologue, Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 which means the purse strings as well as legislative agenda. Job losses didn't start occurring until mid 2008 and beyond. They continued through most of 2009 even after the Obama stimulus passed for shovel ready projects in Feb. 2009. Guess you missed that context