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The more money you are talking about the greater the increase or decrease.
Tax rates are set, they are not automatically going up or down based on what you make.
5.05% and 6.74% reduction on their rates is a whole lot more of a reduction for those in the 1%, than the measly 1.10% the bottom 50% got.



It isn't surprising that those that don't make a whole lot of money actually have more even tax rates.
Not if their tax rate remains the same while those who make a whole lot more enjoy a reduction in rates.

There just isn't much to go after there. Not to mention comparing someone who makes say $1000.00 per week and someone who derives their income from investment return and pays quarterly with ever differing deductions as well as fluctuations in actual gain or loss, is deceptive to say the least.
HuH? It's not that hard to figure out. The ones that make less have a set rate. There are not that many loop holes and tax shelters they can take advantage as opposed to the rich, which can end up paying a smaller percentage.

However, if you are advocating for a broader, fairer tax that simplifies the differences and brings everyone into the mix fairly as they should be then I would welcome you to the fold.

However, I don't think that is the case.
Not as long as we have Republicans controlling Congress, who have pledged allegiance to a lobbyist that they will not raise taxes, although letting the payroll tax cut expire on the middle class was deemed okay by their Guru, Norquist.
 
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You only buy what you are told from the leftwing zealots? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

Baaa, says the one who is in lockstep with the right-wing zealots.
 
Tax rates are set, they are not automatically going up or down based on what you make.
5.05% and 6.74% reduction on their rates is a whole lot more of a reduction for those in the 1%, than the measly 1.10% the bottom 50% got.




Not if their tax rate remains the same while those who make a whole lot more enjoy a reduction in rates.


HuH? It's not that hard to figure out. The ones that make less have a set rate. There are not that many loop holes and tax shelters they can take advantage as opposed to the rich, which can end up paying a smaller percentage.


Not as long as we have Republicans controlling Congress, who have pledged allegiance to a lobbyist that they will not raise taxes, although letting the payroll tax on the middle class was deemed okay by their Guru, Norquist.

Newest talking point from the liberals, the Congress is controlled by the Republicans? amazing loyalty far too many have for the failed ideology that they would promote that lie. Couple of things wrong, first of all the House which is half of the Congress is controlled by the Republicans and the House passed 15 bills that are sitting on the desk of Harry Reid who will not even allow debate on the bills which makes the Senate do nothing not the House

15 House bills not considered by Senate
Senate and House in a Blame Game Over Stalled Jobs Legislation - ABC News

Then there is the issue of Norquist which is another strawman and diversion from the obama record. Here is a great article that the Democrats want people to forget

Democrats stuck on tax rates: Democrats are stuck on tax rates while GOP seeks reform - OrlandoSentinel.com

All this in an attempt to divert from the fact that Obama had total control of the Congress and WH his first two years and we do we have to show for it. Liberal lies and distortions along with a very poor record

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics ln : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

4.4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70

11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30

Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year

38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”

Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News

Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit

The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.

One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News

Stimulus failure

Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
How about some liberal honesty for a change?
 
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Can you provide a link showing how many jobs the Republicans' screw-the-environment program would create?
 
Can you provide a link showing how many jobs the Republicans' screw-the-environment program would create?

Thats the most ignorant request I have ever seen.
 
Can you provide a link showing how many jobs the Republicans' screw-the-environment program would create?

The nice thing is that it creates jobs twice - first to screw the environment, then later to try to fix it. If it's not too late.
 
Thats the most ignorant request I have ever seen.

That's the weakest response I've seen here, even from you.

You think it doesn't make sense to ask what the projected job gains are from the proposed measures? Really? :2rofll:

These measures are being touted as the Republican jobs plan, but for some reason it's not relevant to ask how many jobs the measures would create? :2rofll:
 
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Can you provide a link showing how many jobs the Republicans' screw-the-environment program would create?

I can show you how many jobs the Obama Administration has lost since they took office and added 4.4 trillion to the debt. Will that do? You think that things would be worse?
 
I can show you how many jobs the Obama Administration has lost since they took office and added 4.4 trillion to the debt. Will that do? You think that things would be worse?

What I asked you to show was how many jobs the purported Republican jobs plan is projected to create. :popcorn2:

As for Obama, indpendent analysts peg potential job gains at between 1 and 2 million.
Economists Say Obama Plan Would Create Jobs, But ... | NationofChange

So again, what are the estimates for the Republicans' so-called plan?
 
What I asked you to show was how many jobs the purported Republican jobs plan is projected to create. :popcorn2:

As for Obama, indpendent analysts peg potential job gains at between 1 and 2 million.
Economists Say Obama Plan Would Create Jobs, But ... | NationofChange

So again, what are the estimates for the Republicans' so-called plan?

Obama had his chance and failed. Stimulus One spent a lot of money and we still have a net job loss. Have you even read the summary of the Obama jobs plan? Projections are worthless, results matter and we know what Obama's results are. You still want to believe rhetoric and the question is why?
 
From your referenced piece:

The latest study from Cornell’s labor institute says those claims are flawed, because they are pegged to a potential project budget of $7 billion, which could be nearly double what really goes into construction of the U.S. portion of the pipeline. According to TransCanada’s permit application, the capital cost of the U.S. portion of the project is estimated to be $5.4 billion.

Okay. The estimated budget is approximately 77% of the potential budget...therefore the estimated number of jobs is a mere 15,500 instead of 20,000. I see why you are so concerned.​

There will only a couple of hundred permanent jobs, most of those jobs you mention are temporary construction jobs. Overall the pipeline would hurt the environment.​
 
What I asked you to show was how many jobs the purported Republican jobs plan is projected to create. :popcorn2:

As for Obama, indpendent analysts peg potential job gains at between 1 and 2 million.
Economists Say Obama Plan Would Create Jobs, But ... | NationofChange

So again, what are the estimates for the Republicans' so-called plan?

Progressive Journalism for Positive Action? Did both of their progressive economists agree?

Usually I don't concern myself with sources of information. I shall make an exception in this case.
 
I can show you how many jobs the Obama Administration has lost since they took office and added 4.4 trillion to the debt. Will that do? You think that things would be worse?
The private sector has seen 20 straight months of private sector growth, the public sector is taking it in the shorts because taxes are TOO LOW:

Private
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecAnnual
2009-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010-42-21144229486593110109143128167
201194261219241997517372191104
Govenment
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecAnnual
200921-5-9113-60-64-13-16-2329-21-28
20103-144848410-257-142-169-13828-35-15
2011-26-26-25-24-46-55-4632-33-24
 
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There will only a couple of hundred permanent jobs, most of those jobs you mention are temporary construction jobs. Overall the pipeline would hurt the environment.

Temporary construction jobs? How many permanent construction jobs do you know of?

Just a couple of hundred jobs? Do you have a link?

Hurt the environment? Where and how? Any links?

Leftists should always supply links.
 
There will only a couple of hundred permanent jobs, most of those jobs you mention are temporary construction jobs. Overall the pipeline would hurt the environment.
Uh-huh. About 15,000 well paying jobs for a couple of years is hardly worth mentioning. Especially if the jobs don't have to be paid for by the taxpayers.

The environment will do just fine without all of your concern.
 
The private sector has seen 20 straight months of private sector growth, the private sector is taking it in the shorts because taxes are TOO LOW:

Private
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecAnnual
2009-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010-42-21144229486593110109143128167
201194261219241997517372191104
Govenment
YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecAnnual
200921-5-9113-60-64-13-16-2329-21-28
20103-144848410-257-142-169-13828-35-15
2011-26-26-25-24-46-55-4632-33-24

Now for the rest of the story and the official one

Employment-Net job loss 1.9 Million

2009 142221
2010 138333
2011 139323
140302

Unemployment-Net loss of 2.0 million

2009 11919
2010 14837
2011 13863
Oct-11 13931

Amazing how BLS tells the rest of the story and not just gross numbers
 
Temporary construction jobs? How many permanent construction jobs do you know of?

Just a couple of hundred jobs? Do you have a link?

Hurt the environment? Where and how? Any links?

Leftists should always supply links.
Construction jobs are always temporary that the ****ing point.
 
Obama had his chance and failed. Stimulus One spent a lot of money and we still have a net job loss. Have you even read the summary of the Obama jobs plan? Projections are worthless, results matter and we know what Obama's results are. You still want to believe rhetoric and the question is why?

Stop trying to change the subject! You're touting the alleged Republican jobs program, so show us some estimates of how many jobs that purported jobs program would create!! :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:
 
Construction jobs are always temporary that the ****ing point.

How many taxpayer funded temporary jobs are in the Obama Stimulus 2 program? Isn't 4.4 trillion enough to add to the debt and why would you sadded the taxpayers with another 500 billion dollars to fund jobs that will have to be picked up by the states after the initial funding runs out? First the Federal Taxpayer pays for these jobs and then when the funding runs out then the state taxpayers pick up the cost. Who picks up the Construction job costs?
 
Stop trying to change the subject! You're touting the alleged Republican jobs program, so show us some estimates of how many jobs that purported jobs program would create!! :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:

I could make wild predictions like "your" President but what purpose will it serve. Since you won't take responsible for the lies and don't hold him accountable for his failures. Oh, what the hell, let's say 2 million jobs will be created by the passing of the Republican bills.
 
Progressive Journalism for Positive Action? Did both of their progressive economists agree?

Usually I don't concern myself with sources of information. I shall make an exception in this case.

Maybe you should pay a little better attention to what you're reading. In this case they were simply reprinting an article from McClatchy News Service.
 
I could make wild predictions like "your" President but what purpose will it serve. Since you won't take responsible for the lies and don't hold him accountable for his failures. Oh, what the hell, let's say 2 million jobs will be created by the passing of the Republican bills.

What you could do is provide links to independent analysis as I've done. But you can't, of course, because the hodge-podge of environment killing bills you're trying to foist off as a jobs plan is nothing of the kind.
 
How many taxpayer funded temporary jobs are in the Obama Stimulus 2 program? Isn't 4.4 trillion enough to add to the debt and why would you sadded the taxpayers with another 500 billion dollars to fund jobs that will have to be picked up by the states after the initial funding runs out? First the Federal Taxpayer pays for these jobs and then when the funding runs out then the state taxpayers pick up the cost. Who picks up the Construction job costs?

Then don't complain about unemployment. There's no magic to jobs. You need employed people who spend. The fewer of those, the less business will invest. Cut government jobs, you have less employed people spending, thus less business expanding or hiring. You have to see the contection between demand and supply. No demand, no one supplies.
 
Then don't complain about unemployment. There's no magic to jobs. You need employed people who spend. The fewer of those, the less business will invest. Cut government jobs, you have less employed people spending, thus less business expanding or hiring. You have to see the contection between demand and supply. No demand, no one supplies.

Govt. jobs are offset by the cost to the taxpayers so any benefit is reduced by the debt that occurs from those jobs. Apparently debt that now exceeds our yearly GDP doesn't bother you? Much of the Obama jobs plan focuses on paying for teachers and fire fighters which are state responsibility. Anyway once that money is exhausted who picks up the tab? That is known as "kicking the can down the road" all for personal political gain.
 
Maybe you should pay a little better attention to what you're reading. In this case they were simply reprinting an article from McClatchy News Service.
My point was that they have a declared agenda. You might recognize it. I am sure their lean is similar to yours. Given one's particular desire I am certain they could find an economist, or two, who agree with their position.
 
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