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Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

Of course not, she should of just ignored him like most people were.


See though, that would have fed the opposition meme also, would it not? I mean, you're protesting because there are no jobs, and someone is setting up a table where they are offering jobs, and you either ignore it, or go up to it and give a bunch of reasons why you won't take them...So, how again is this supposed to be a trap? They could take a job.

I'm not going to analyze the video like it's the Kennedy shooting. The Congressman recoiled from the guy and wiped his face.

I saw the video too, to me it looked like what was being said about the so called spitting incident was far from the intent of the yelling protester. Now I am not him, nor am I in his heart, but it is possible that media friendly to the liberal causes could have spun this no?

I'm sure there are hardcore Socialists in the group. Just like hardcore Socialists supported labor when they fought for Child Labor laws. Just like Libertarians supported some of the measures of the Tea Party but the Tea Party is extremely conservative on social issues.

Personally, I wish that the Tea Party would stick to fiscal sanity, and drop the social issue stuff. I think they have more credibility when they do.

Sure, if you lower healthcare costs for corporations it might create jobs. The administration didn't say that. Wasn't it Pelosi or Dean?

Well, Pelosi repeated that lie, but no Obama was the man saying it....

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Obama says passage of his health care proposals would create new jobs by making small business start-ups more affordable.

In his weekly radio and Internet video address Saturday, the president linked one of his biggest challenges — a worse-than-expected loss of jobs — with a top priority: passage of far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system.

Obama links job growth to health care proposal - USATODAY.com

My question...what would a Democratic "compromise" look like? For example debt. Please point out where Republicans are willing to give in any shape or form.

Well, so far every time republicans have agreed to compromise tax increases coupled with spending cuts promised by demo's, the tax increases are instant, and the spending never materializes. But to point to a specific would be when Bohner was dealing directly with Obama on the debt ceiling, according to reports, they had a deal with both some cuts, with some tax increases, and Obama blew it up the next day saying he needed some $800 billion more in taxes.

I say that if we need to do both, we need to see the cuts in spending first, then we can talk about taxes.

So...during the time period that you grew up, the time period your family raised you was during the "Welfare state" but apparently some switch flipped as of 2008 to create this large swath of Americans that don't wanna work?

No, you have it wrong. It has been a progression. I don't think I said anything about some magic turn of events where people all of the sudden people don't want to work.

There is a conscious effort to make people more and more dependent on government to take care of their needs, whether it be in the form of welfare, or in the form of this so called 'social justice'....

j-mac
 
People who judge whole throngs of people based on the hyperfocused actions of a few and meager are slightly disgusting. It's the same thing as racism except without picking colors.

Way too many bad folks to consider them "few" when they span from Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Oakland, Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, etc, etc.
 
If you're in the 53rd percent then, according to your argument, you are skating by paying almost nothing in taxes. Pay up!!
I am part of the 53% who pay all of the taxes. Now I am not in the top 1%. But I am in the top 5% (maybe 6% as the numbers change from time to time). I pay about half of everything I earn when all taxes are considered. I pay about a third to the federal government. That turns out to be a large number. Some of you would probably be happy to have what I pay as your annual salary.
 
I am part of the 53% who pay all of the taxes. Now I am not in the top 1%. But I am in the top 5% (maybe 6% as the numbers change from time to time). I pay about half of everything I earn when all taxes are considered. I pay about a third to the federal government. That turns out to be a large number. Some of you would probably be happy to have what I pay as your annual salary.


Wow...Could you adopt me please!

j-mac
 
which would be what? 47% of what's paid in?

something. everyone should pay something. tax day should not be a day when you get "free money from the government", it should be the day when each of us sacrifices something for our governance.
 
something. everyone should pay something. tax day should not be a day when you get "free money from the government", it should be the day when each of us sacrifices something for our governance.
Based on feelings of what's fair? Or a hypothesis about something else?
Personally, I don't really care. But I think that these sorts of decisions can really be examined and determined from a numerical pov.
Are there any benefits to the country at all from putting some money in the hands of people who will spend it?
 
Based on feelings of what's fair? Or a hypothesis about something else?

both, firstly, I think it's fair. secondly, (more important than fair), it reduces conflict and is more likely to lead to an adult, reasoned national conversation about how to go about allocating the resources we are all putting in. when everyone is able to point to a very real buy-in, they feel ownership over the results. it would be the most powerful structural measure to create accountability and sanity in governance that we have seen in quite some time. when you use the tax code to create competing classes of payers and takers, you aren't helping the body politic, you are giving it an incentive to turn on and destroy itself.

Personally, I don't really care. But I think that these sorts of decisions can really be examined and determined from a numerical pov. Are there any benefits to the country at all from putting some money in the hands of people who will spend it?

no such thing. all money will get spent - the question is, what are alternative uses to government allocation of those funds? is government generally more or less efficient at allocating scarce resources - and what implications does that have for the possibility of economic success that we will see when we dramatically expand the portion of resources we allow it to allocate?
 
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Election day should be moved to April 16th.


j-mac
 
and we should get rid of withholding so everyone can see what government is actually costing them.
 
and we should get rid of withholding so everyone can see what government is actually costing them.

Well, I find withholding an easier way to comply with paying, in these times I can't be sure that I would have a years worth of taxes available at the end of the year...Human nature and all..

j-mac
 
Well, I find withholding an easier way to comply with paying, in these times I can't be sure that I would have a years worth of taxes available at the end of the year...Human nature and all..

that is precisely it. make taxes a bit more difficult to choke down and you'd be amazed how fast the pressure would become for reductions in the size of government :).
 
that is precisely it. make taxes a bit more difficult to choke down and you'd be amazed how fast the pressure would become for reductions in the size of government :).


Yeah, I agree. Plus you want to talk about stimulus to the economy, imagine how an extra $100. to $150. per week in the paycheck would help the economy immediately.


j-mac
 
Woops, looks like Americans are viewing OWS a lot more favorably than the Tea Party, or basically anything related to the Republican Party.

"A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll out last night found that a whopping 60 percent of Americans strongly agree with the basic sentiment of the 99 Percent Movement, as expressed in the statement below:

The current economic structure of the country is out of balance and favors a very small proportion of the rich over the rest of the country. America needs to reduce the power of major banks and corporations and demand greater accountability and transparency. The government should not provide financial aid to corporations and should not provide tax breaks to the rich.

Just 33 percent of those polled strongly agreed with a Tea Party GOP message focused on austerity, reducing the size of government, and keeping taxes low for everyone. The poll also found that Occupy Wall Street is viewed more favorably than the Tea Party, the Republican Party, and any of the Republican presidential contenders. The results comport with another poll out yesterday showing that Occupy Wall Street is more popular than both Wall Street itself and Washington, DC."

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/November_Poll.pdf
 
Woops, looks like Americans are viewing OWS a lot more favorably than the Tea Party, or basically anything related to the Republican Party.

"A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll out last night found that a whopping 60 percent of Americans strongly agree with the basic sentiment of the 99 Percent Movement, as expressed in the statement below:



Just 33 percent of those polled strongly agreed with a Tea Party GOP message focused on austerity, reducing the size of government, and keeping taxes low for everyone. The poll also found that Occupy Wall Street is viewed more favorably than the Tea Party, the Republican Party, and any of the Republican presidential contenders. The results comport with another poll out yesterday showing that Occupy Wall Street is more popular than both Wall Street itself and Washington, DC."

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/November_Poll.pdf

Well that is certainly good news for Canada and Central America. The rich are always welcome here and are far preferable to the draft dodgers.

And those riots always make for good TV, viewed from the comfort of my living room.

Seems like a winner all around!
 
Woops, looks like Americans are viewing OWS a lot more favorably than the Tea Party, or basically anything related to the Republican Party.

"A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll out last night found that a whopping 60 percent of Americans strongly agree with the basic sentiment of the 99 Percent Movement, as expressed in the statement below:



Just 33 percent of those polled strongly agreed with a Tea Party GOP message focused on austerity, reducing the size of government, and keeping taxes low for everyone. The poll also found that Occupy Wall Street is viewed more favorably than the Tea Party, the Republican Party, and any of the Republican presidential contenders. The results comport with another poll out yesterday showing that Occupy Wall Street is more popular than both Wall Street itself and Washington, DC."

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/November_Poll.pdf

And the same poll says that 31% think the Tea Party has been good thing for America, while only 25% think OWS has.

As usual, this poll was heavily weighted towards Democrats. Dems were included in far larger numbers than in real life.

(Dems 46% / Republicans 36%)
 
And the same poll says that 31% think the Tea Party has been good thing for America, while only 25% think OWS has.

As usual, this poll was heavily weighted towards Democrats. Dems were included in far larger numbers than in real life.

(Dems 46% / Republicans 36%)

You mean to say that the majority of Americans are still the sensible folks, great friends, and outstanding neighbors I always thought them to be?

That is very heartening in most respects but it makes the news highlights less interesting.
 
And the same poll says that 31% think the Tea Party has been good thing for America, while only 25% think OWS has.

As usual, this poll was heavily weighted towards Democrats. Dems were included in far larger numbers than in real life.

(Dems 46% / Republicans 36%)

The Tea Party has been around for several years, versus several months for OWS. OWS has not had nearly the opportunity to impact the country one way or another. Hence the 49% who think OWS hasn't made much difference one way or another.
 
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The Tea Party has been around for several years, versus several months for OWS. OWS has not had nearly the opportunity to impact the country one way or another. Hence the 49% who think OWS hasn't made much difference one way or another.

yeah, you're right that most people don't know much about the OWS crowd yet. Just wait until they hear about all the rapes, thefts, drugs, assaults, etc., etc. that has been going on in their "camps".

I'm sure public perception will improve then.....
 
yeah, you're right that most people don't know much about the OWS crowd yet. Just wait until they hear about all the rapes, thefts, drugs, assaults, etc., etc. that has been going on in their "camps".

I'm sure public perception will improve then.....

The problem with Reps/cons is that they are assuming that OWS is made up mostly of Liberals, why the right-wing is too eager to bash OWS. If they would do some research before commenting on any issue they would appear less ignorant. FYI, OWS is mostly made up of Independents (who many times vote Republican, and other times vote Democrat), but FYI, there are also some Republicans represented in OWS. So, before you start feeling so superior, be aware that you are bashing those from your own party.

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