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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem to think that Barrack Obama has the smarts and experience to spend millions of taxpayers dollars on a variety of projects, including energy, and and thatīs just fine. I find it remarkable that this would have any taxpayer support but, as itīs your tax dollars as well as the responsibility of added debt to your economy, Iīll bow to your best instincts. You win.
    Sorry , I could not pass up this post , for there is a sentence I would like to respond to.

    "I find it remarkable that this would have any tax payer support but, as it's your tax dollars as well as the responsibility of added debt to your economy, I'll bow to your best instincts, you win"???

    I find it odd that most Americans want alternitive fuel energy so the taxpayer's money are going to try to find it.

    However, I do not see a lot of average American taxpayer support going to bailout money for private organizations.
    After all it is as you say, their taxpayer dollars how many Americans are rewarded by this, after all, the taxpayers are left with more debt, as well as not" a by your leave" from these private organizations. with their hand out.

    Last I remembered American taxpayers were not in the loan business ,to any private oganization
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The straw man is that liberals think they solve the problem just by taxing the rich. In fact liberals are perfectly well aware that we have to both cut spending and raise taxes to close the budget gap.
    Is this the right wing's brilliant plan cut spending and raise taxes??

    Ok, unless I'm mistaken the right already had their budget cuts not a lot left to cut there.

    As for raiseing taxes?
    Who you going to raise taxes on.
    The poor don't think so
    The working poor not according to IRS.standards
    The unemployed, LOL,LOL


    That leaves the Middle class, sure but whoever does commits political suicide.

    Only one class left you can guess which that one is.

    Now,you can complain about government spending you can point fingurs to the left, right or, center.

    Bottom line; Either more people working and paying taxes or taxes will go up.

    If not there will not only be less tax revenue but, less consumers, so profits will go down.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    I wonder how many OWS people actually understand what they are protesting?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I have a question.

    Could this be the after picture of a man who lost his job to corporations, lost his pention to corporations , lost his house to banks?
    Wonder what the before picture looked like?
    Perhaps the avitar of ReverendHellhound?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I wonder how many OWS people actually understand what they are protesting? Here is a great video that shows just how little you actually know

    Excellent Video on the Tax-the-Rich Mentality.flv - YouTube
    I wonder how many anti protestors know what the protestors are protesting for?
    One step further I wonder if everybody that against the OWS protestors know what this is about?

    For if they think this is an American problem check Euope England, France, Greece.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I have a question.
    Actually, you have 5 questions as disingenuous as they are let's break them down shall we?


    Could this be the after picture of a man who lost his job to corporations?
    Putting aside that you demonstrate a serious lack of knowledge of what a corporations are, or how they work, corporations exist to do business, provide a service or product, and show a return on shareholders investments through making a profit. They create jobs, not steal them...

    lost his pention to corporations?
    Pensions, which I assume are what you are talking about here, haven't been a part of a normal employment package through employers for about 30 years now. Most retirement packages offered by employers these days are a 401K with matching contributions if you're lucky. In fact, the only places I know that still have pensions these days are public sector union workers, that is what is killing the system for many states. Retirement is your responsibility not your employers.

    lost his house to banks?
    If he signed a contract, and then failed to live up to his obligation under that contract then it is possible that the bank has the legal right, and business obligation to reposes that house, and attempt to get enough to cover their liability. This is proper.

    Wonder what the before picture looked like?
    You mean before the alcoholism, drug abuse, and looks like decades of liberal bleeding heart programs that made it possible for this man to destroy his life on my dime? Who knows?

    Perhaps the avitar of ReverendHellhound?
    Hard to say. But we all make choices in life don't we? Aren't you glad that you live in a country where you are free to make that choice?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, you have 5 questions as disingenuous as they are let's break them down shall we?




    Putting aside that you demonstrate a serious lack of knowledge of what a corporations are, or how they work, corporations exist to do business, provide a service or product, and show a return on shareholders investments through making a profit. They create jobs, not steal them...



    Pensions, which I assume are what you are talking about here, haven't been a part of a normal employment package through employers for about 30 years now. Most retirement packages offered by employers these days are a 401K with matching contributions if you're lucky. In fact, the only places I know that still have pensions these days are public sector union workers, that is what is killing the system for many states. Retirement is your responsibility not your employers.



    If he signed a contract, and then failed to live up to his obligation under that contract then it is possible that the bank has the legal right, and business obligation to reposes that house, and attempt to get enough to cover their liability. This is proper.



    You mean before the alcoholism, drug abuse, and looks like decades of liberal bleeding heart programs that made it possible for this man to destroy his life on my dime? Who knows?



    Hard to say. But we all make choices in life don't we? Aren't you glad that you live in a country where you are free to make that choice?

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    Well first of all I don't think my questions disingenuous at all.
    I was taught that there are no stupid questions just stupid answers.

    As for my lack of knowledge what corporations are or how they work.
    That sir is, questionable for in fact more than one corporation has been bailed out of bankrupsy by myself and other taxpayers of America.

    So I would have to ask the corporations what they are about, since it is they that can't keep their company going without help from the government?

    Although this is a Capitalist nation therefore corporations is about making money, profits., paying shareholders
    No arguement there, except what do you think the American workers are all about making money, to buy products from American corporations, invest in corporations, pay taxes and, make profits , paying bills, not a lot of differance I see.
    Maybe some shareholders " parasites" that only invest, does no work but expects a paycheck to get bigger. each quarter..

    I find that extremly odd that a hard worker in Detriot who makes production everyday , misses no days willing to work overtime gets a cut in his pension , doesn't have to be the auto ind but any ind, or the airline, or any number of hard working people that got screwed out of their pension.
    While you take a CEO that run a company into the ground, screwed up so bad his company has to get bailed out by the government and he walks away with pension and a bonus???

    Oh please, not the old "breach of contract routine"?
    Although I was using this for an example since you have brought it up.
    One question can disolve your uhh...statement on contracts.
    Are there loopholes to get out of a contract?
    If not then am I to take it all contracts are upheld no matter who the signature belongs to?

    As for the alcoholism, drug use and decades of liberal bleeding heart programs?
    Well your last two words kinda wraps that up "WHO KNOWS" for I do not ,and although I don't like assumptions, I assume you don't either, unless you judge all people by the same standard ,which is a bit risky at best.

    It is true we all make choices , and free to live in a country where you can make choices, I LOVE AMERICA.

    However in todays society choices are being removed from some of it's people.
    9%+ UNEMPLOYMENT higher in some states; now some of these people make a choice to get a job, work , pay taxes and become a valuable member of American society.
    However there is not enough jobs so some "free" American choices are not so free.

    There are a lot of angry protestors out on the streets of America, they may subside during the winter but summer will be long and hot; they will return; this too was a choice made in America where you are free to make choices.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Winter weather, evictions, and arrests not deterring nationwide protests:

    "Occupy Boston: "We might have been evicted, but we shall not be moved."

    "As Occupy Boston and many others have said:

    "You cannot evict an idea whose time has come. Boston’s Occupiers will persist in rejecting a world created by and for the 1%. We might have been evicted, but we shall not be moved. We remain invested in the future of our movement. [...] We are the 99%, and we are no longer silent."

    "On their two month anniversary this weekend, Occupy Minnesota will gather at The People’s Plaza to reclaim their space and continue the fight for equality and justice. And across the country, other Occupations have found creative ways to persist and resist. We will continue to re-occupy unused public spaces, move homeless families into empty foreclosed homes, and liberate buildings from the banks and greedy corporations."

    Occupy Boston: "We might have been evicted, but we shall not be moved." | OccupyWallSt.org
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I wonder how many anti protestors know what the protestors are protesting for?
    One step further I wonder if everybody that against the OWS protestors know what this is about?

    For if they think this is an American problem check Euope England, France, Greece.

    Even better question:

    I wonder if the protestors know what they are protesting for!
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