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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    What you are showing is your inability to think as a business person. Many of these companies sell their product in a global market. To compete they must move their company overseas, that is just a fact … you or I might not like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

    We in the US has had a standard of living that as a whole is so far above the emerging economies of other countries that it's not even funny. These emerging economies are where we were in the 50's and 60's and they are huge markets. To be competitive in theses markets is impossible at the factory wages that are being paid and expected to be paid here in the US. When it costs more to produce, then the product is selling for in those economies a company has a choice to make, either move where costs are in line with the global market, and be competitive, or ignore that market all together. From a large business perspective ignoring those markets is just stupid. I guess from your perspective big business should ignore them . Just showing once again why liberals usually don't sit at the top of big business.

    The other part of your theory that is questionable is what do you consider long term? I agree maybe in 30 or 40 years it might turn out some decisions were bad, as these emerging economies get closer to ours and the global economy is much more even from country to country then having your company located in a certain country might not be as profitable as it is now. To the best of my knowledge most companies have no business plan that extends out 30 or 40 years ..

    Bashing big business is just a liberal whining point, because they have no alternative or no idea what is needed to bring industry back into this country, and most liberals are exceptional when it comes to placing blame, but most un-exceptional when to comes to solutions. The only idea I see from most liberals .. including you.. is to tax them more .. make them even more uncompetitive in a global economy, and that dear Boo doesn't work in the short .. or long term.

    Unlike you, I understand that to have a thriving economy we need “both” and strong middle class and a strong business and industry. Business and industry builds the middle class that then buys the products that they make, and increases the business and industry

    When liberals finally understand that we need business and industry as much as we need a strong middle class and that you can't have one without the other. Maybe just maybe we can turn the corner. Keep bashing them, and making them the enemy, keep blaming them for our woes and personally I see no reason why they should do anything different different … and in fact why they wouldn't just say f**k you …. you see us as the problem, so we'll just move even more money to other countries, even more jobs overseas, and see how you do without us. Personally if I was in their shoes, that is exactly what I'd do.
    Nope, I understand the moving perfectly. But in the long run it will hurt them. No one consumes like we do, and if we go broke, no jobs, they lose.

    It's not bashing big business, and that is really where you are flawed. It is recognizing the link between business and labor. One can't be successful without the other. Favoring one at the cost of the other is harmful, and recent history ahs been to favor business, and as I said, at the expense of workers. You can call that liberal if in helps you excuse in easier, but I think it is actually reality. We'll see how things progress.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Like far too many you focus on the huge corporations and their profits and ignore the small businesses that constitute most of the hiring and commerce in this country. Those are the ones not recording record profits and those are the ones that suffering under Obama policies. They also aren't counted as unemployed since they don't qualify for unemployment benefits.
    Which of Obama's policies are causing them to suffer. Name a few....

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Which of Obama's policies are causing them to suffer. Name a few....
    Did you listen to the speech yesterday? What an embarrassment this man is to the office. As for specific policies, Obamacare will hurt small businesses, the threat to raise taxes will hurt small businesses, govt. regulations hurt small businesses. Have you ever run a small business?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you listen to the speech yesterday? What an embarrassment this man is to the office. As for specific policies, Obamacare will hurt small businesses, the threat to raise taxes will hurt small businesses, govt. regulations hurt small businesses. Have you ever run a small business?
    Are you talking about the KS speech? I didn't see it, but I did hear a lot of people saying he was spot on, praising him for it. What about that makes it an embarassment? Just curious.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are you talking about the KS speech? I didn't see it, but I did hear a lot of people saying he was spot on, praising him for it. What about that makes it an embarassment? Just curious.
    The fact that he claims America has never been successful with their economic policies and his promotion of classware and redistribution of wealth. He used the term fair share at least 14 times never defining it as if people who don't pay any FIT but earn money are paying their fair share. His speech was anti American, anti capitalism, and promotion of a large central govt. with greater control.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The fact that he claims America has never been successful with their economic policies and his promotion of classware and redistribution of wealth. He used the term fair share at least 14 times never defining it as if people who don't pay any FIT but earn money are paying their fair share. His speech was anti American, anti capitalism, and promotion of a large central govt. with greater control.
    Well, I suspect that's your fox political entertainer's skewed view of what he said. I doubt very seriously it's an accurate well considered analysis on your part. But nothing less than I expected.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you listen to the speech yesterday? What an embarrassment this man is to the office. As for specific policies, Obamacare will hurt small businesses, the threat to raise taxes will hurt small businesses, govt. regulations hurt small businesses. Have you ever run a small business?
    I know of no other serious world leader who would ever make such references in a speech. Turning citizens of the same country against each other shows petulance rather than wisdom. It is low politics.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I suspect that's your fox political entertainer's skewed view of what he said. I doubt very seriously it's an accurate well considered analysis on your part. But nothing less than I expected.
    You don't know what was said and yet you make these speculations?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I know of no other serious world leader who would ever make such references in a speech. Turning citizens of the same country against each other shows petulance rather than wisdom. It is low politics.


    First you guys misrepresent. Then you compare what wasn't done to other leaders. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are.


    Not really.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You don't know what was said and yet you make these speculations?
    I do know politicans, and I've heard others speak on it. And I am fully familiar with what Fox Political entertainers do, and how the faithful leap on it. Mindless.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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