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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They were "invented" centuries ago. Now Barrack Obama is going to use his business expertise to let taxpayer money flow to those who convince him they are on the cusp of something great?

    P.T. Barnum allegedly said there is a sucker born every minute, and it seems he was an optimist.
    Yeah, I'm sure it seemed pretty dumb in the early days of aviation and nuclear power, too. And satellite communications, GPS, the internet, personal computers, etc., etc. All dumb **** that's been developed with government assistance.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    I'm not surpised. I agree with the message and supported them at first and have gotten tired of them.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably - 2012 Decoded

    Does this mean the revolution will be called off?
    I have two questions regarding this poll.

    1 Did the poll takers bother to question any voters within the OWS protestors, or did they just take for granted that none of these protestors vote?
    2. Was there a selective process of voters questioned or was this done randon from state to state?

    I ask these questions for I support the OWS protestors but was not ask to participate in any poll?
    Perhaps I am not worthy enough after all I'm jost a lowly Independent, but come NOV. 2ND 2012 ny vote will be counted.
    I don't think I'm the only voter that supports the OWS, I am not alone.
    Perhaps this poll may have missed others like me?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure it seemed pretty dumb in the early days of aviation and nuclear power, too. And satellite communications, GPS, the internet, personal computers, etc., etc. All dumb **** that's been developed with government assistance.
    You seem to think that Barrack Obama has the smarts and experience to spend millions of taxpayers dollars on a variety of projects, including energy, and and that´s just fine. I find it remarkable that this would have any taxpayer support but, as it´s your tax dollars as well as the responsibility of added debt to your economy, I´ll bow to your best instincts. You win.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only in a rather strict interpretation of the word optional.
    So, you agree it is optional...
    I generally agree with your assertions on Iraq.
    Now explain about the USS Cole.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Look, I have provided documentation to back up the case for the largest investment in green energy (better known as the best way to be independent of middle east oil) in our history.
    No, technically you provided sources that revealed where the money came from and where it went and the presumption for its spending. Your references failed to ‘back up the case for the largest investment’ but this will be impossible for some time as ‘green energy’ is still in its infancy.

    All you guys have provided is your opinion that you don't think it will work.
    Please provide reference where I stated that ‘it wouldn’t work’. I believe your stated position was that ‘one failed company Solyndra’ to which I found 4 more that had failed.

    Fine, I got it. Some used to think a horseless carriage couldn't replace the horse and buggy. Some never thought man could fly. Some never thought man could travel to the moon. And some think its not possible to develop alternate means of energy.
    Again, please provide a reference to where I stated ‘its not possible to develop alternate means of energy’.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    I'm not surpised. I agree with the message and supported them at first and have gotten tired of them.
    I couldnt agree more. The overall message that big business is too big is one I can get behind! Their means is where I have problems.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What you're showing is that you don't understand what I'm saying. Yes, they make good profits in the short term. But they won't in the long run. Eventrually not having enough people to buy will lead to a shrinking busness, and eventually a shrinking proit. Business has bene short sighted more than once throughout history.

    So yes, in the long run they would do better to treat employees right and keep business here. If all of business did, they woudl have more consumers, more people buying and in the LONG RUN do better than simply reaping short term profits.

    And yes, many have and do sacrifice furture profits for easy short term gain now. And because those running it can and often do walk away with huge profits, leaving the business to try and fix the problem after they leave, they get away not doing what is best for everyone, including the business.
    What you are showing is your inability to think as a business person. Many of these companies sell their product in a global market. To compete they must move their company overseas, that is just a fact … you or I might not like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

    We in the US has had a standard of living that as a whole is so far above the emerging economies of other countries that it's not even funny. These emerging economies are where we were in the 50's and 60's and they are huge markets. To be competitive in theses markets is impossible at the factory wages that are being paid and expected to be paid here in the US. When it costs more to produce, then the product is selling for in those economies a company has a choice to make, either move where costs are in line with the global market, and be competitive, or ignore that market all together. From a large business perspective ignoring those markets is just stupid. I guess from your perspective big business should ignore them . Just showing once again why liberals usually don't sit at the top of big business.

    The other part of your theory that is questionable is what do you consider long term? I agree maybe in 30 or 40 years it might turn out some decisions were bad, as these emerging economies get closer to ours and the global economy is much more even from country to country then having your company located in a certain country might not be as profitable as it is now. To the best of my knowledge most companies have no business plan that extends out 30 or 40 years ..

    Bashing big business is just a liberal whining point, because they have no alternative or no idea what is needed to bring industry back into this country, and most liberals are exceptional when it comes to placing blame, but most un-exceptional when to comes to solutions. The only idea I see from most liberals .. including you.. is to tax them more .. make them even more uncompetitive in a global economy, and that dear Boo doesn't work in the short .. or long term.

    Unlike you, I understand that to have a thriving economy we need “both” and strong middle class and a strong business and industry. Business and industry builds the middle class that then buys the products that they make, and increases the business and industry

    When liberals finally understand that we need business and industry as much as we need a strong middle class and that you can't have one without the other. Maybe just maybe we can turn the corner. Keep bashing them, and making them the enemy, keep blaming them for our woes and personally I see no reason why they should do anything different different … and in fact why they wouldn't just say f**k you …. you see us as the problem, so we'll just move even more money to other countries, even more jobs overseas, and see how you do without us. Personally if I was in their shoes, that is exactly what I'd do.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    What you are showing is your inability to think as a business person. Many of these companies sell their product in a global market. To compete they must move their company overseas, that is just a fact … you or I might not like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

    We in the US has had a standard of living that as a whole is so far above the emerging economies of other countries that it's not even funny. These emerging economies are where we were in the 50's and 60's and they are huge markets. To be competitive in theses markets is impossible at the factory wages that are being paid and expected to be paid here in the US. When it costs more to produce, then the product is selling for in those economies a company has a choice to make, either move where costs are in line with the global market, and be competitive, or ignore that market all together. From a large business perspective ignoring those markets is just stupid. I guess from your perspective big business should ignore them . Just showing once again why liberals usually don't sit at the top of big business.

    The other part of your theory that is questionable is what do you consider long term? I agree maybe in 30 or 40 years it might turn out some decisions were bad, as these emerging economies get closer to ours and the global economy is much more even from country to country then having your company located in a certain country might not be as profitable as it is now. To the best of my knowledge most companies have no business plan that extends out 30 or 40 years ..

    Bashing big business is just a liberal whining point, because they have no alternative or no idea what is needed to bring industry back into this country, and most liberals are exceptional when it comes to placing blame, but most un-exceptional when to comes to solutions. The only idea I see from most liberals .. including you.. is to tax them more .. make them even more uncompetitive in a global economy, and that dear Boo doesn't work in the short .. or long term.

    Unlike you, I understand that to have a thriving economy we need “both” and strong middle class and a strong business and industry. Business and industry builds the middle class that then buys the products that they make, and increases the business and industry

    When liberals finally understand that we need business and industry as much as we need a strong middle class and that you can't have one without the other. Maybe just maybe we can turn the corner. Keep bashing them, and making them the enemy, keep blaming them for our woes and personally I see no reason why they should do anything different different … and in fact why they wouldn't just say f**k you …. you see us as the problem, so we'll just move even more money to other countries, even more jobs overseas, and see how you do without us. Personally if I was in their shoes, that is exactly what I'd do.
    So ... who's bashing business, exactly? If Obama is so anti-business, why are businesses racking up record profits? If businesses aren't sometimes shortsighted, and don't need regulation, why did we face the near total meltdown of our financial sector a few short years ago?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So ... who's bashing business, exactly? If Obama is so anti-business, why are businesses racking up record profits? If businesses aren't sometimes shortsighted, and don't need regulation, why did we face the near total meltdown of our financial sector a few short years ago?
    Like far too many you focus on the huge corporations and their profits and ignore the small businesses that constitute most of the hiring and commerce in this country. Those are the ones not recording record profits and those are the ones that suffering under Obama policies. They also aren't counted as unemployed since they don't qualify for unemployment benefits.

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