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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you even look at what you're citing? Seriously.

    Nothing up there is any better than the American thinker. The Heartland institute? Do you know who they are and how much credibility they lack? And you have the nerve to whinme about the MSM?



    J, you need credible voices. You need real and reasonable voices. You need to put the koolaid down, stop drinking the liberal hyperbole, the wild generalizations, the partisan silliness, and seek something that actually makes a valid case.
    I noticed that you didn't address anything in those articles, not one thing, only offer attack of the source which my friend is an admittance that you concede.

    Show me where each one of those is factually wrong.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, You too j are arguing government is the answer. I linked soemthing for you a while back that you didn't respond to where an econimst argued if you really believed what you're spouting, you'd argue for more government spending. You might go back and revisit that article.
    No, that is you being disingenuous as usual. Government is limited, and should be more so.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The rates you showed in the table were marginal rates.
    I have not posted a table previously. I will now however, and it compares the actual tax rates paid in 1961 with 2011:

    "This graph from the report compares the actual income taxes paid by the rich in 1961 and 2011. As it happens, 1961 falls right between the time covered by seasons one (March to November, 1960) and two (February to October 1962) of “Mad Men.”



    Back in 1961, Don Draper and his partners at Sterling Cooper paid somewhere between 27 and 43 percent of their income in federal income taxes. Their counterparts today pay somewhere between 20 and 24 percent. As the IPS report argues, we don’t need austerity, we need tax increases at the top."



    US tax rates for the rich then and now Real-World Economics Review Blog

    And here is how the Dividends and capital gains rate has changed from 1961 - 2011:



    http://topforeignstocks.com/2011/08/...te-since-1961/
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have not posted a table previously. I will now however, and it compares the actual tax rates paid in 1961 with 2011:
    Well yeah, that's why no rich people lived in the U.S. prior to 1982.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I noticed that you didn't address anything in those articles, not one thing, only offer attack of the source which my friend is an admittance that you concede.

    Show me where each one of those is factually wrong.

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    When will you learn, stupid is not something that anyone should address. The articles present no real facts, but wildly gross hyperbolic nonsense. Only a fool takes something like those things seriously or worthy of addressing. Try finding something more acurate and less hyperbolic. Like I said, if you ever really present anything factual, I'll address it.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that is you being disingenuous as usual. Government is limited, and should be more so.

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    Like I said, I linked something for you earlier that you ignored. It laid out for you that if you really believed what you say, you'd want more government.

    That said, if you argue government can and should FIX the economy, you ARE arguing that government is the answer. There is not a really a logical way around that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Like I said, I linked something for you earlier that you ignored. It laid out for you that if you really believed what you say, you'd want more government.

    That said, if you argue government can and should FIX the economy, you ARE arguing that government is the answer. There is not a really a logical way around that.
    More isn't better and the govt. can help the economy by doing less. Stop the social engineering,, stop the demonization of private business and individual wealth creation, stop with the burdensome regulations, and put the power back where it belongs, at the state and local levels.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    More isn't better and the govt. can help the economy by doing less. Stop the social engineering,, stop the demonization of private business and individual wealth creation, stop with the burdensome regulations, and put the power back where it belongs, at the state and local levels.
    You are correct that more isn't better, but again, you have to show specific areas where there is more and that it seriously hinders business. As expected,regulations will always come up, and if a regulation has no real purpose, one not needed, I might well agree that we shouldn't have it. But blanket statements concerning regulation are usually too vague and meaningless. Many regulations serve a real purpose, and history has shown that business will not regulate themselves well.

    But, again, if you blame Obama, blame congress, you are in fact suggesting government controls the economy. And if they control the economy, they are the answer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are correct that more isn't better, but again, you have to show specific areas where there is more and that it seriously hinders business. As expected,regulations will always come up, and if a regulation has no real purpose, one not needed, I might well agree that we shouldn't have it. But blanket statements concerning regulation are usually too vague and meaningless. Many regulations serve a real purpose, and history has shown that business will not regulate themselves well.

    But, again, if you blame Obama, blame congress, you are in fact suggesting government controls the economy. And if they control the economy, they are the answer.
    The market is showing that by not hiring people but the point is there is a lot of duplication at the Federal and State level in the budget items. That is the first place to start, eliminate departments like the Dept. of Education, Department of Commerce, the EPA, reduce the Dept. of Energy, all Departments that are duplicated at the State level. Then remove SS and Medicare from the budget and separate the revenue and the expense from the budget along with dissolving the Unified budget pulling out infrastructure items like roads and bridges which is funded by excise taxes on gasoline.

    To deny that the govt. controls the economy and Presidential policies are part of the problem is simply naive.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The market is showing that by not hiring people but the point is there is a lot of duplication at the Federal and State level in the budget items. That is the first place to start, eliminate departments like the Dept. of Education, Department of Commerce, the EPA, reduce the Dept. of Energy, all Departments that are duplicated at the State level. Then remove SS and Medicare from the budget and separate the revenue and the expense from the budget along with dissolving the Unified budget pulling out infrastructure items like roads and bridges which is funded by excise taxes on gasoline.

    To deny that the govt. controls the economy and Presidential policies are part of the problem is simply naive.
    Actually, that's not true. Markets don't work that way. Where there is a buyer, there will be a seller. If your view was correct, we'd have people with a lot of money standing around with nothing to buy. It doesn't work that way.

    And with no EPA, for example, do you believe the evinoment will get along just fine. I mean like it did when rivers caught on fire, and LA was too poluted to breath the air? Not having regulations has consequences. Business does not alway, if ever, police itself.

    Again, if you think they control the economy, it is you who is arguing that government is the answer. Not liberals. You.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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