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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Similarly, if we didn't spend more than we took in there wouldn't be a debt either.

    And Catawba's already admitted that even if we taxed the rich we'd still spend so much that we'd run a debt.

    Going back to my point, it doesn't matter how much you raise revenue...if you spend more than you are bringing in you're going to run a debt.
    Don't deny that. If you're apying attention, I suggest we cut spending and rasie taxes. A two pronged approach. It takes both. The trouble with both sides is the tendency to focus too much on only one prong. Do you think I'm wrong about this?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    On our way down the destructive road of progressive incrementalism.


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    yes, and conservatives are facists. The stereotypes are deeply set, but just as wrong on both sides. However, to see this, you must put down the koolaid.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't deny that. If you're apying attention, I suggest we cut spending and rasie taxes. A two pronged approach. It takes both. The trouble with both sides is the tendency to focus too much on only one prong. Do you think I'm wrong about this?

    Then you should have no problem seeing the spending cuts happen first, and be verified before ANY tax increases of any sort are proposed...See we've seen this lip service before from liberals like yourself, and frankly we just don't trust the meme anymore.

    yes, and conservatives are facists. The stereotypes are deeply set, but just as wrong on both sides. However, to see this, you must put down the koolaid.
    huh...If Conservatives are fascists then tell us why it is Obama that is taking over businesses, and practicing quasi fascism?

    Hmmm....You're just wrong Joe....Sorry, try again.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then you should have no problem seeing the spending cuts happen first, and be verified before ANY tax increases of any sort are proposed...See we've seen this lip service before from liberals like yourself, and frankly we just don't trust the meme anymore.
    How about at the same time? Believe it or not, laws can be written in whcih it happens.

    huh...If Conservatives are fascists then tell us why it is Obama that is taking over businesses, and practicing quasi fascism?

    Hmmm....You're just wrong Joe....Sorry, try again.


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    You miss the point and repeat a falsehood. I don't care who you are; that's funny.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So driving out business benefits whom? Vote out the Republicans like the electorate did in 2009? How did that work out for the country? The results speak for themselves but you ignore them.
    So far it's worked out pretty well, despite nearly uniform opposition from the side that left us this mess to begin with.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How about at the same time? Believe it or not, laws can be written in whcih it happens.
    No! Been there, seen that fail. You libs hold up your end first, then we will get to the rest of it. But, in this exact scenario liberals in congress have proven themselves untrustworthy.

    You miss the point and repeat a falsehood. I don't care who you are; that's funny.
    So you have no rebuttal....Noted.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't deny that. If you're apying attention, I suggest we cut spending and rasie taxes. A two pronged approach. It takes both. The trouble with both sides is the tendency to focus too much on only one prong. Do you think I'm wrong about this?
    Nope. I'm actually okay with a slight raise in taxes and said so here. However, not until the Government actually enacts and STICKS TO real CUTS...not simply agreeing to raise the amount they spend the following year a bit less than they would normally raise it. I mean actually leave it where it is and then begin to CUT it.

    The government has shown as recently as the 90's it has no issues in raising taxes on us, and in more recent times raising taxes on other non-income related things. What it hasn't shown is any significant, honest ability to cut its spending and STICK to that cut in spending.

    Additionally, tax increases hit immedietely while spend plans like Obama has put forward cut a little spending now (and I use "cut" loosely) and primarily backload the cuts 5 to 10 years down the line making it questionable if the cuts will even see the light of day.

    Show me the government can actually be serious about spending cuts, and then give me a tax increase. If you're going to spread that spending cut over multiple years and back load it, then that tax increase better start small and tier itself to a higher level as the increaes in spending cuts increase. And the tax increase should touch EVERYONE. I'm fine with it being progressive and affecting the higher incomes more than the lower incomes, but EVERYONE should at least feel some of the pressure when taxes are increased to make it a tangable thing and not seemingly "Free money" at someone elses expense.

    I've advocated a while that I'd be fine, once the economy smooths itself out some, with implimenting a 2% national sales tax whose money revenue doesn't go into the general fund but rather goes directly to paying down our debt thus decreasing our interest payment over time and saving us money.

    Unfortunately, time and again, our politicians have shown that increase in revenue is just an excuse for them to jusitfy increase in spending rather than something to offset and possibly provide a surplus over the amount they've managed to cut spending to.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So far it's worked out pretty well, despite nearly uniform opposition from the side that left us this mess to begin with.
    Yes, we can see how well it has worked out, there are more people unemployed today than when Obama took office, businesses are NOT hiring, 4.4 trillion has been added to the debt, the misery index is rising and "your" President has had total control of the govt. his first two years when those results were generated

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How about at the same time? Believe it or not, laws can be written in whcih it happens.
    I'd give you this...

    Give me a 3:1 ratio in cuts to increased tax revenue...IE, if the new tax is expected to bring in $100 million in new revenue, give me $300 million in cuts. AND, by "Cuts" I mean a cut from the CURRENT spending. I don't mean "Cut" as in "We are going to increase it 8% but we'll just increase it at 8% - $300 million now".

    Place in the law that if government spends more than they budget for, and that additional spending...INCLUDING emergency spending...goes over the amount of [current budget - $ in cuts], then the following year the tax increase is wiped from the books.

    Again, as I said before, said tax increase if its an INCOME tax increase should apply across the board in a progressive manner.

    That would make the Revenue to Budget gap close by 4x's whatever the base number is each year.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, we can see how well it has worked out, there are more people unemployed today than when Obama took office, businesses are NOT hiring, 4.4 trillion has been added to the debt, the misery index is rising and "your" President has had total control of the govt. his first two years when those results were generated
    Actually business ARE hiring -- it's government that is shedding jobs, which I believe your side considers a positive. As I said, considering where Obama started, and where we could be if he hadn't generally made the right moves, and the level of wrong-headed opposition he faces, it's worked out pretty well so far.

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