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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Guess you didn't understand what I posted either since Medicare isn't funded by Federal Income taxes

    Fighting was is the responsibility of the Federal govt and is funded by FIT. The cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan is 1.4 trillion over 10 years or 140 billion a year. Deduct that from the 15.0 trillion and you have a 13.4 trillion dollar debt.

    There would be no need to use FIT funds to pay for roads and infrastructure had the money collected from excise taxes on gasoline and diesel not been put into the General Fund of the Federal govt.

    Try to learn about what taxes fund before making dumb statements
    Again, you just admitted that roads are covered by federal taxes. you belief in need is your opinion, fact is that there are federal taxes used for it. And for the war as well.

    Now perhaps you'll make the same concession concerning medicare:

    Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax ( /ˈfaɪkə/) is a United States payroll (or employment) tax[1] imposed by the federal government on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare[2] —federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers.

    Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Medicare Taxes Definition | Small Business Encyclopedia | Entrepreneur.com

    Problems with the federal budget deficit are on track to be dealt with through Medicare cuts and some amount of tax increases, both of which are bad for the nation's older citizens.

    Seniors: OK, Hike Taxes to Save Medicare - TheStreet

    The New York Times recently published a graphic displaying each department's share of the federal budget showing the vast majority of federal spending is devoted to defense, Social Security and Medicare.



    See full article from DailyFinance: Hocus + Pocus = The 2012 Federal Budget Plan - DailyFinance

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, you just admitted that roads are covered by federal taxes. you belief in need is your opinion, fact is that there are federal taxes used for it. And for the war as well.

    Now perhaps you'll make the same concession concerning medicare:

    Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax ( /ˈfaɪkə/) is a United States payroll (or employment) tax[1] imposed by the federal government on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare[2] —federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers.

    Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Medicare Taxes Definition | Small Business Encyclopedia | Entrepreneur.com

    Problems with the federal budget deficit are on track to be dealt with through Medicare cuts and some amount of tax increases, both of which are bad for the nation's older citizens.

    Seniors: OK, Hike Taxes to Save Medicare - TheStreet

    The New York Times recently published a graphic displaying each department's share of the federal budget showing the vast majority of federal spending is devoted to defense, Social Security and Medicare.



    See full article from DailyFinance: Hocus + Pocus = The 2012 Federal Budget Plan - DailyFinance
    Thanks for showing that you don't have a clue as to the difference between Federal Income Taxes and FICA or Payroll taxes. Further you don't seem to understand that FET is Federal Excise taxes which you pay when you fill up. Thanks for playing

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You misunderstood my meaning. Unfunded spending on the military and tax cuts to the rich over 30 years created most of our debt. We will need to do the opposite to address that debt.
    You make that claim a lot, where is the data to back it up?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thanks for showing that you don't have a clue as to the difference between Federal Income Taxes and FICA or Payroll taxes. Further you don't seem to understand that FET is Federal Excise taxes which you pay when you fill up. Thanks for playing
    Doesn't matter. I said federal taxes. You're trying to make a meaningless distinction. I'm backing up my claim, not your silliness. It is a federal tax. Do you dispute that?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You make that claim a lot, where is the data to back it up?
    Spending without revnue to pay for it the cause. If we had the revenue, there wouldn't be a debt. His statement is pretty easily supported by logic.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter. I said federal taxes. You're trying to make a meaningless distinction. I'm backing up my claim, not your silliness. It is a federal tax. Do you dispute that?
    The discussion was about Federal Income taxes and funding for the Federal Govt which comes out of that money. That is intellectual dishonesty all trying to make a point which is wrong.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Spending without revnue to pay for it the cause. If we had the revenue, there wouldn't be a debt. His statement is pretty easily supported by logic.
    The claim was made that tax cuts for the rich and unfunded wars caused most of the debt over the past 30 years. Tax cuts don't cost a thing because they aren't an expense so the point is right, prove the claim? Logic says that tax cuts grew jobs but you won't buy that logic but now because another liberal says something that you support you buy it without facts?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Irrelevant
    Irrelevant in that you're comparing a political movement to a body of government.

    The NFL is almost twice as popular as OWS. That stat is about as relevant as what you're saying. Congress historically polls low in approval polls and isn't the same thing as a political movement.

    And as I remember, it had quite an effect on the 2010 election.
    The Tea Party had a fair bit of effect on the 2010 election, in part because it got hottest right as the election was heating up. That said, even then attempting to compare Tea Party polling to congressional polling would be a bit pointless save to say something that should've been common sense...that the "hot" political movement at the moment is more popular than a body of government that has polled poorly for more than a decade now regardless of who controlls it.

    I would argue the OWS has increased public debate about the economic injustice in this country. Look at all the OWS stories in the news, look at all the OWS threads on this forum, look at you discussing the OWS issues here with me!
    Yep, its definitely got people talking. So did the Sandusky molestation news. Does that mean you think the public must support molestation because they talked about it a whole lot? Yes, OWS is a news story and thus gets people talking...that has little to nothing to do with its favorable or unfavorable rating.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Spending without revnue to pay for it the cause. If we had the revenue, there wouldn't be a debt. His statement is pretty easily supported by logic.
    Similarly, if we didn't spend more than we took in there wouldn't be a debt either.

    And Catawba's already admitted that even if we taxed the rich we'd still spend so much that we'd run a debt.

    Going back to my point, it doesn't matter how much you raise revenue...if you spend more than you are bringing in you're going to run a debt.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hahah well your gonna need a lot of "real hope" with those republican candidates on stage... Real solid group you guys got...
    Cool. We wilkl just have to wait for an election. Then let's all laugh or cry (as appropriate).

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