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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you genuinely want to be taken seriously do not just cut and paste, especially from a source that cites Hollywood films to support their contentions.
    These proposals would do more to return our country to a state of economic justice than anything I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    These proposals would do more to return our country to a state of economic justice than anything I've seen.
    too bad it would no longer be America.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here we go again, tax rates need to be raised according to liberals. How does that increase tax revenue? Clinton raised tax rates and added 1.55 trillion to the debt.
    What did Bush add to the debt by cutting taxes for the rich?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What did Bush add to the debt by cutting taxes for the rich?
    Not a dime, tax cuts grew revenue

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What did Bush add to the debt by cutting taxes for the rich?
    Nothing. If we accept your premise, The Bush Tax Cuts reduced the amount of revenue we brought in (theoritically, as its based off the ASSUMPTION economists make that everything would've functioned exactly the same in regards to the economy whether the Bush Tax Cuts existed or not). The Bush spending added to the debt by spending more than our revenues brought in.

    Taking in less money does not directly cause debt. Debt is created when you spend more money than you have.

    If we had taken in more revenue but still spent more money than we took in, we'd still have increased debt.

    if we had taken in less revenue, but didn't spend more money then we took in, we would not have increased debt.

    What increases or decreases debt is spending in relation to revenues, not revenues themselves. Bush definitely increased our debt, but he did it through spending more than we brought in.

    The same can be said with Obama under the Bush tax rates and the Obama tax rates (you know, the ones he signed off on in December 2010)

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    About their individual validity? Nothing. About them in any way shape or form representing the OWS movement? A fair bit.
    Every time I have referenced the 8 demands for Congress I have included that they are proposed. The OWS has not adopted any official positions other than their Mission Statement. There is a strong movement within the OWS now not to adopt official demands.


    Does not change the fact that it's just as serious a proposal of a "demand" as any of the ones you've listed, and has actually recieved more votes than any of the ones you've listed.
    Perhaps, my point however is that the proposed 8 demands for Congress would do the most to fix the economic injustice in this country.



    Sure, it'll be interesting to see where free college, trutherism, and the Patriot Act and Capital Punishment fit in.
    Here you go:

    "As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

    As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments.

    We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known."
    Read more here: Occupy Wall St. releases their mission statement… The Devout Infidel



    And yet this movement supposedly focused on "economic justice" and raising the public discourse about wealth disparity seemed to find repealing the patriot act and 9/11 truth more important to vote for.
    Nice strawman!



    Yes, you've supported that while failing to acknowledge there are far more than 8 proposed demands being voted for and that the 8 you list aren't even the top vote getters. At best they're the ones put forward by a now defunct and no longer supportered working group.
    I've supported the 8 proposed demands for congress by one of the OWS working group which make incredibly good sense to me. Please quote me where I have ever supported the proposed demands by the other working group?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Well, as far as YOUR views of what would bring about economic justice...I don't necessarily agree, primarily because I think we disagree on what "economic justice" is. However, thanks for the clarification. In a thread talking about OWS I'm more concerned with their views on such issues and why those views may be giving them such unfavorable polling data.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't think you have a clue as to what you are proposing. Seems you have no problem with the Federal Govt. demanding more revenue from you so they can spend it where they want and deem necessary vs. you keeping more of what you earn and designating it to where you choose. Doesn't make a lot of sense to most people to have that kind of attitude. You want to soak the people who are paying the most in taxes now while letting the 47% of income earning families not pay any FIT. That is why you have little credibility.
    You must have a very different memory of the 50's and 60's than most of us.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You must have a very different memory of the 50's and 60's than most of us.
    I have a great memory of the 60's expecially the 250 billion dollar U.S. Federal Budget with 175 Million Americans. Today that budget is 3.7 TRILLION with 310 million people. Make sense to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    too bad it would no longer be America.
    What were we then in the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's, if not America, when tax rates were much more progressive than anything proposed today???
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