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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Look, it is plain as day that conservatives spend virtually all of their time excoriating government and blaming government for everything under the sun. To deny that is simply to deny reality.

    Well, then that brings me back to asking you to show it in the constitution. You never took that on, instead diverting to this meme...Now why would that be?


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Now that is a jobs bill we can believe in. That is the real hope and change.
    Hahah well your gonna need a lot of "real hope" with those republican candidates on stage... Real solid group you guys got...


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hahah well your gonna need a lot of "real hope" with those republican candidates on stage... Real solid group you guys got...
    Good enough to beat the empty suit in office now.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hahah well your gonna need a lot of "real hope" with those republican candidates on stage... Real solid group you guys got...
    Love it when a Democrat/Socialist makes claims of how bad the choices are within the Republican Party after watching the current occupant in the WH for the last three years. You really have no room to talk.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do you support OWS and what purpose does it serve protesting at locations that have nothing to do with making the laws that Wall Street didn't break?
    I support the OWS because I support economic justice. They are not interested in lobbying Washington politicians, they are about increasing pubic debate on the concentration of wealth, income and power at the top. What better place to do that than from Wall Street?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Look, it is plain as day that conservatives spend virtually all of their time excoriating government and blaming government for everything under the sun. To deny that is simply to deny reality.
    Do you have a link to support that statement or do we start accepting hyperbole as fact?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good enough to beat the empty suit in office now.

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    He must not be an "empty suite" when he has gotten so many of you guys's panties in a bunch. I mean jeeeshh you guys were soo desperate to make up **** about the health care bill, remember the death panels? Or how it is gov ran? Or how about that Marxist, muslim, communist, socialist, Nazi, fascist, liberal, maoist, democrat? I mean if someone has that much **** made up about him he must not be an "empty suit"...


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I support the OWS because I support economic justice. They are not interested in lobbying Washington politicians, they are about increasing pubic debate on the concentration of wealth, income and power at the top. What better place to do that than from Wall Street?
    Do you realize how foolish that sounds, increasing public debate means taking weeks and months protesting and not having a coherent message? How does protesting at Wall Street, shutting down businesses in the area, creating civil unrest, clashing with the police promote your claims? A better place to do that is at the ballotbox and through the electoral process and if that doesn't work in D.C. where the laws are made. what laws did Wall Street break that created this anger?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Love it when a Democrat/Socialist makes claims of how bad the choices are within the Republican Party after watching the current occupant in the WH for the last three years. You really have no room to talk.
    Im not defending the guy im just not a blind republican partisan like you are.... I mean in all honesty you guys are gonna need a lot of help with that current group of "go getters" the republicans have up there on stage...


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I support the OWS because I support economic justice. They are not interested in lobbying Washington politicians, they are about increasing pubic debate on the concentration of wealth, income and power at the top. What better place to do that than from Wall Street?

    The signature of modern leftist rhetoric is the deployment of terminology that simply cannot fail to command assent. As Orwell himself recognized, even slavery could be sold if labeled "freedom." In this vein, who could ever conscientiously oppose the pursuit of "social justice," -- i.e., a just society?

    To understand "social justice," we must contrast it with the earlier view of justice against which it was conceived -- one that arose as a revolt against political absolutism. With a government (e.g., a monarchy) that is granted absolute power, it is impossible to speak of any injustice on its part. If it can do anything, it can't do anything "wrong." Justice as a political/legal term can begin only when limitations are placed upon the sovereign, i.e., when men define what is unjust for government to do. The historical realization traces from the Roman senate to Magna Carta to the U.S. Constitution to the 19th century. It was now a matter of "justice" that government not arrest citizens arbitrarily, sanction their bondage by others, persecute them for their religion or speech, seize their property, or prevent their travel.

    This culmination of centuries of ideas and struggles became known as liberalism. And it was precisely in opposition to this liberalism -- not feudalism or theocracy or the ancien régime, much less 20th century fascism -- that Karl Marx formed and detailed the popular concept of "social justice," (which has become a kind of "new and improved" substitute for a storeful of other terms -- Marxism, socialism, collectivism -- that, in the wake of Communism's history and collapse, are now unsellable).

    "The history of all existing society," he and Engels declared, "is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebian, lord and serf ... oppressor and oppressed, stood in sharp opposition to each other." They were quite right to note the political castes and resulting clashes of the pre-liberal era. The expositors of liberalism (Spencer, Maine) saw their ethic, by establishing the political equality of all (e.g., the abolition of slavery, serfdom, and inequality of rights), as moving mankind from a "society of status" to a "society of contract." Alas, Marx the Prophet could not accept that the classless millenium had arrived before he did. Thus, he revealed to a benighted humanity that liberalism was in fact merely another stage of History's class struggle -- "capitalism" -- with its own combatants: the "proletariat" and the "bourgeoisie." The former were manual laborers, the latter professionals and business owners. Marx's "classes" were not political castes but occupations.

    Today the terms have broadened to mean essentially income brackets. If Smith can make a nice living from his writing, he's a bourgeois; if Jones is reciting poetry for coins in a subway terminal, he's a proletarian. But the freedoms of speech and enterprise that they share equally are "nothing but lies and falsehoods so long as" their differences in affluence and influence persist (Luxemburg). The unbroken line from The Communist Manifesto to its contemporary adherents is that economic inequality is the monstrous injustice of the capitalist system, which must be replaced by an ideal of "social justice" -- a "classless" society created by the elimination of all differences in wealth and "power."

    Social Justice: Code for Communism
    So you support Marxism.


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