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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its funny to watch the liberals who were just OUTRAGED...OUTRAGED I tells ya!!! over Bush's connection to oil companies (while the conveniently ignore democrats investment with oil...banks...brokers...and having unions balls deep in those democrats) now easily dismissing the Obama connection to campaign contributions and the different loans to the failed green companies. Funny...comical...and yet...pathetic...all at the same time.
    It was funny 20 years ago. 10 years ago it was just "typical". Now it's just sad, and causes one to lose faith in humanity in general. We really are medium sized, dumb animals.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    You know, I hate to say this, but you're closer to being right than most would admit.

    In previous generations, you found a job, worked hard, moved up the ladder of success and retired. That was the norm. Anything else was the exception.

    Nowadays, if you're lucky enough to get a job, it will be a low wage position with no upward mobility. You could literally be answering phones at a receptionist desk for 30 years. 30 years ago, that was unheard of. You might start at receptionist, but you'd eventually move into office management. My neighbor, who is a staunch republican/christian church going lady, actually told me that our generation is the first generation to not have it better than our parents. My dad, at his age, was making more 30 years ago than I am today. He got one job, and kept moving up, now he's been there 42 years and has been promoted to second to the top. His salary reflects it, too. He has a college degree in engineering.

    Me, I got a college degree in finance and insurance. I couldn't get a job and the one I got was punching numbers on a computer for 8 dollars an hour. It didn't pay the bills. I wound up moving back in with my parents because of underemployment. I got another job, pumping jet fuel at an airport, for even less, 6.15 an hour to start, moved to 7.15/hr after I finished training. Well, low and behold, that didn't pay the bills either. So I had to move back in with my parents and saved up and went back to school. NOW, at the age of 32, I'm finally making a living wage but working extremely long hours to do it. The job is ok, benefits are decent, but the hours and lack of a schedule that I can work around are ripping me apart. I have friends I haven't seen since I began working here as I'm always here.

    But at least I was able to purchase a house and move out on my own.
    I don't think too many people are arguing about this (though of course some are). I think the biggest divide comes from debating the reason behind the trend. I certainly wish I could still support a family of four working in a warehouse from 8-5. The only way I've found to get ahead is to start my own business and that has huge risks associated with it.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    You know, I hate to say this, but you're closer to being right than most would admit.

    In previous generations, you found a job, worked hard, moved up the ladder of success and retired. That was the norm. Anything else was the exception.

    Nowadays, if you're lucky enough to get a job, it will be a low wage position with no upward mobility. You could literally be answering phones at a receptionist desk for 30 years. 30 years ago, that was unheard of. You might start at receptionist, but you'd eventually move into office management. My neighbor, who is a staunch republican/christian church going lady, actually told me that our generation is the first generation to not have it better than our parents. My dad, at his age, was making more 30 years ago than I am today. He got one job, and kept moving up, now he's been there 42 years and has been promoted to second to the top. His salary reflects it, too. He has a college degree in engineering.

    Me, I got a college degree in finance and insurance. I couldn't get a job and the one I got was punching numbers on a computer for 8 dollars an hour. It didn't pay the bills. I wound up moving back in with my parents because of underemployment. I got another job, pumping jet fuel at an airport, for even less, 6.15 an hour to start, moved to 7.15/hr after I finished training. Well, low and behold, that didn't pay the bills either. So I had to move back in with my parents and saved up and went back to school. NOW, at the age of 32, I'm finally making a living wage but working extremely long hours to do it. The job is ok, benefits are decent, but the hours and lack of a schedule that I can work around are ripping me apart. I have friends I haven't seen since I began working here as I'm always here. Unfortunately, there is no upward mobility here either, the guy I answer to is part owner of the company. The only way I'll make more is if they expand and thus give me more responsibility.

    But at least I was able to purchase a house and move out on my own.
    If you don't mind my asking, what did you go back to school for, and what is your current job? By the hours, it sounds like retail. You can make decent money at retail, and so long as you're not lazy/stupid, you WILL make management in retail. But you end up salaried, and working 55 hours a week or more, for what most people would have made in 35-40 hours a week 30 years ago. And those hours are at all times of the day, one morning you have to be in at 6am, then the next you show up at 1pm till close, usually around 11pm or later, and then, the next day, back in at 6am or so. Killer.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No idea. Why? Did you think the green energy field would be the first in the history of the world that didn't count failures among its successes?
    Let's hear of some of those successes among its failures and how much each job cost.

    There have been far more jobs, unsubsidized jobs, created in the energy sector related to gas and oil then there have been in the Green sector. How much does it cost the American taxpayer for each of these "green' jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Let's hear of some of those successes among its failures and how much each job cost.

    There have been far more jobs, unsubsidized jobs, created in the energy sector related to gas and oil then there have been in the Green sector. How much does it cost the American taxpayer for each of these "green' jobs?
    All of the oil and gas jobs are subsidized in one form or another.

    I don't have the answers for your green energy questions, and they wouldn't matter much to me if I did. I think we need to invest in green energy for security and environmental reasons. That it creates some jobs is a bonus.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Oil is a limited resource. This is a fact, that requires no numbers to support, only some basic thought. It takes millions of years to generate oil, and very specific circumstances. We use it far faster than it can possibly be made. Ignoring the release of carbon atoms into our atmosphere for a moment, this is still a huge problem. Our entire economy runs on oil. Most of our products are made using nothing but oil. Our entire lifestyle is one with oil. If we can't find a replacement, we're dead meat, literally. We WILL die. Factor in the the carbon atoms, which were captured by plants billions of years ago and then buried under the sea, to become fossilized into what we call oil...and we accelerate our doom. Or at least, in this case, the doom of millions upon millions. Those carbon atoms were taken out of the system, so to speak, and store...and now we use them to generate energy, so they are being unstored, released back into the system...which of course, will have the affect of returning out system back to the state it was in when they were first captured.

    Enough sunlight hits the earth every hour to power every single device we have for an entire year. Anyone who would NOT want to find a way to harness that is a damn fool.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Actually there is quite a bit of Marxist philosophy involved. Or, if you prefer Marxism-Leninism.

    The progressive income tax is Marxist. Most of this nation has embraced it, knowing nothing else. In the long run it is the way to move the nation from individual responsibility toward central planning, small scale socialism, then European style socialism, then European style economic collapse.


    One has to drink a lot of koolaid to see it the way you suggest here. Sorry. I can't take this post seriously.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why? Because if they did they would be unemployed today.

    If solar energy is so good then let the private sector develop it, not the Federal Govt. It is easy to point out gaudy numbers when the base is so low to begin with. Solar has its place just not now and certainly not with taxpayer dollars.

    What is it about liberalism that creates such stupidity.
    There, I modified it slightly for more accuracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Oil is a limited resource.
    Nothing in this world is infinite. The problem is, how much do we have left? We're discovering new fields of oil and gas all the time, so how much do we have? Will we run out? One day I guess we will, but when? We know for sure we have at least 80 years of oil left at our current consumption rate. But that doesn't take into account any new discoveries that will surely be made between now and then.

    Oh yea, we don't know how oil is made. There are platforms offshore that used to make nothing, and are now producing huge amounts of oil.

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645

    I checked with my father who works offshore and is in charge of the production of all offshore oil and gas in his district, and he confirmed this article.

    The only FACT is that we don't know how much we have left, but it's a lot. And estimates are getting higher and higher all the time. Will we run out of oil in our lifetime? Only if you are very young, possibly not even born yet. Please note this article goes into detail about a different method of production of crude oil inside the earth other than dinosaur squeezin's. One that is sustainable into the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But it's AOK with you that federal subsidies to the oil and coal industries dwarf green energy subsidies, right?
    Subsidies allow oil companies to keep more of what they earned and deduct actual expenses. I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with loan guarantees made to green energy companies. I don't think you know what subsidies really are.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    All of the oil and gas jobs are subsidized in one form or another.
    Barrack Obama just cost the US economy upwards of 20,000 real jobs by moving the decision on the Keystone pipeline until after the next election. This cowardly political act is costing the US people millions of dollars. or more.

    I don't have the answers for your green energy questions, and they wouldn't matter much to me if I did. I think we need to invest in green energy for security and environmental reasons. That it creates some jobs is a bonus.
    If China keeps lending you the money to waste on different Wonderland fantasies then that will be great, but I'm sure the Greeks were once saying something similar. The USA is now the most indebted nation in world history and the Liberals think this is not such a bad thing, that their insightful business savvy will see them right in the end.

    Even Lewis Carroll would not believe this possible.

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