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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So you now care where jobs are created? Maybe Democrats can get Solyndra back on track and hiring again so we can add more debt
    Maybe Republicans can stop jerking each other off over penny ante sh*t like Solyndra and actually get around to dealing with the serious unemployment and debt problems this country faces?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Maybe Republicans can stop jerking each other off over penny ante sh*t like Solyndra and actually get around to dealing with the serious unemployment and debt problems this country faces?
    Remember their number one goal is to stop Obama from getting re-elected. Their number one goal is not to do what is right and help out this country but instead is to get Obama out of the white house..

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I thought about this post all day yesterday Joe, as I was driving back home from Indy. The way you framed this really bothered me for a number of reasons.

    You lay the premise that the game is rigged which is simply not so. The wealth in this country is not static, nor is it limited. So to say that the pursuit of financial success is limited, and your socio-economic status is etched in stone where you are at in any point in time is pure Bull.

    For there to be a truly fair, and free market that has propelled this country to be the greatest engine of wealth creation in the worlds history, the dream of success on your own merits and hard work have to be in place.

    What you advocate is a tenant of Marx where redistribution has to be equal which has never worked to advance anyone.


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    To be rigged, it does not have to be staticor limited. You start from a false premise. because of this, you're not likley to like any answer. but I will try.

    First, the market has never been truely free. We'rehad regulations that limit from the beginning in one way or another. So, again, you start with a false premise. Nor is anyone advocating Marx. This is too often the fallback position for someone who really hasn't thought enough.

    You can look up coporate welfare as well as the next person. These are rules that help those with the most. Can you really argue otherwise? Sure, there is some chance that some will move up. The beauty of our system was always that enough could move far enough that the illusion of equality kept most happy. When you see unrest, under any system, is when the illusion becomes all too clearly a lie. As you watch the middle class shrink, even with the wealhy class growing some, fewer are willing to suspend their disbeleif. For any country, this is a problem.

    Do you ever play with odds? In a fair game, there's a fairly even chance that everyone playing can be successful. Casinos are not fair. The house owns the odds. If they didn't, they couldn't stay in business. My uncle was a gambler and used to tell me one never bets on chance. If the game isn't rigged, don't play. Business is much this way. They gamble, but only when the odds are in their favor, especially big business. Everyone else, is like th high roller at the local casino. Once and awhile one wins. It's good for business overall. But the games rigged so that more lose than win, and the house always ranks in the lions share.

    No Marxism is involved here. No one is asking anything other than realization that if the house gets too many wins, the clientale becomes angry. We need the middle class, and the illsuion. Without it, the entire system crashes. Remember, is a real competative game, someone wins it all. What happens once that this done? If we don't have one winner, the competition isn't entirely real.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not those living in reality Land. If there are you should quote them.
    See the every promise made about trickle down economics and deregulation over the last 3 decades. That is the reality of the 99%.



    We have more than enough people "addressing the cause of the debt" and it's always the political opponents. What isn't possible at the moment, it seems, is finding leadership capable of fixing the debt.

    Oh........tell me the last time we raised tax rates on the rich to the level they were before Reagan??? Hell, tell me the last time tax rates on the rich were raised to the level under Reagan???

    Also, please tell me the last time we cut wasteful spending on the military industrial complex to just half what the rest of the world spends combined on military?

    If we are not prepared to stop the things that created our debt over the last 30 years, then we are not serious about reducing the debt.

    Next time the American people go to the polls they should consider a candidate who has some experience in financial matters, not an unqualified poster boy designed to demonstrate how advanced a nation they have become.
    All the Republican candidates are promising to continue the same failed trickle down economics of the last 30 years, more tax cuts for the rich and less regulations for the rich, and to enable that, they are prepared to throw the middle class under the bus. That is what the American people will be considering when they go to the polls.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I care THAT jobs are created, and it strains credulity to imagine that any serious job creation would result even if all 15 of the Republicans' screw-the-environment proposals were passed as written.

    And btw, the last two were bipartisan proposals that passed with the support of President Obama.
    So, because you, without any explanation, don't believe that these acts would create jobs (or at a minimum save the job growth rate/save jobs in areas where environmental protection is putting people out of work) then it doesn't exist?

    Wow, You are a genius!!!!
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Obama has done about as much as he can do, given the Republicans' absolute unwillingness to compromise.
    The Republicans refused to compromise during his first two years in office?

    If the Republicans have any better ideas I have yet to hear them.
    The Republicans have offered ideas but it seems you are listening only to the Democrats.
    They ran in '10 on the platform of JOBS JOBS JOBS and they haven't proposed a single f*cking thing that wouldn't actually make the jobs picture worse if implemented.
    You think Keystone wouldn't create jobs?

    Review & Outlook: The Non-Green Jobs Boom - WSJ.com

    Instead a greenhorn investor like Barrack Obama, with no experience in the business world whatsoever, takes billions in taxpayer money and throws it away on his pet ideas.

    wish I could say that I'm astonished by the degree of incompetence and irresponsibility they've exhibited, but I'm pretty numb to it after the last 10 years.
    That could explain your support of the Barrack Obama policies.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Maybe Republicans can stop jerking each other off over penny ante sh*t like Solyndra and actually get around to dealing with the serious unemployment and debt problems this country faces?
    Solyndra is "penny ante"??

    It's "penny ante" when the American people lose $535 billion in a crooked scheme while the original investors (political supporters of the Democrats) get their money back?

    If the OWS protesters had any brains (they do not) they would be marching in front of the White House. Or wherever BHO raised his goofy head.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    See the every promise made about trickle down economics and deregulation over the last 3 decades. That is the reality of the 99%.
    It seems you don't quite get it. You are a Liberal and therefore not well acquainted with reality. You see reality must be based on facts, on the real world, where political and personal decisions have real consequences.

    Thus a liberal would say something like "See the every promise made about trickle down economics and deregulation over the last 3 decades. That is the reality of the 99%".

    Why not say the past 80 years or the past three centuries. You supply no proof for anything.

    This is why the Liberals live in a parallel, but markedly different, universe. Just saying whatever pops into the liberal head, slogans, chanting, faithfully repeating whatever you're told by your mindless gurus, forming political opinions from bumpers stickers, etc. makes it all true for you. Nothing more is required. And this of course is why you cannot be trusted with any form of leadership in Reality World.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I care THAT jobs are created, and it strains credulity to imagine that any serious job creation would result even if all 15 of the Republicans' screw-the-environment proposals were passed as written.

    And btw, the last two were bipartisan proposals that passed with the support of President Obama.
    You asked for the bills, I gave them to you. The bills are being stonewalled by the DEMOCRAT Controlled Senate. Bring the bills to the floor, debate the bills, and add amendments, but no, you want to be dishonest and blame Republicans. Then you want to ignore the failure of this Administration the first two years in office and believe that Stimulus 2 will be more successful than stimulus one. That is nothing more than partisan bs..

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Maybe Republicans can stop jerking each other off over penny ante sh*t like Solyndra and actually get around to dealing with the serious unemployment and debt problems this country faces?
    Yeah, right, it was only hundreds of millions of dollars that did nothing but reward campaign contributors. When are you going to wake up?

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