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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So let me see if I have this correct, you don't believe that keeping more of your money stimulates economic growth and thus job creation and higher revenue to the govt? I have seen nothing from you other than charts about speculation. How do you know the economic activity would have been the same? How do you know that the jobs between 2003 and 2008 would have happened? What is your problem with keeping more of what you earn?

    Employment January of each year. Looks to me like 9 million new taxpayers created between January 2003 and January 2008 all before Democrats took control of the Congress and Legislative process.

    2003 137417
    2004 138472
    2005 140245
    2006 143142
    2007 146032
    2008 146421
    Nothing in this world is as black & white as you would like to think it is. Of course tax cuts have a stimulative effect, so you don't lose revenue at a 1:1 rate when you reduce tax rates. But it's also the case that tax cuts rarely, if ever, pay for themselves. It's also true that excess liquidity from tax cuts and a loose money supply can contribute to asset bubbles ... and busts, such as led to the Great Recession.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    So, the government killing jobs and authorizing $4 trillion in wasteful spending didn't have anything to do with it?

    I find that Libbo opposition to the wars conflicts with the whole, "government spending creates jobs", talking point we've been hearing.
    Which jobs did the government kill, exactly? And what was that $4 trillion in wasteful spending?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nothing in this world is as black & white as you would like to think it is. Of course tax cuts have a stimulative effect, so you don't lose revenue at a 1:1 rate when you reduce tax rates. But it's also the case that tax cuts rarely, if ever, pay for themselves. It's also true that excess liquidity from tax cuts and a loose money supply can contribute to asset bubbles ... and busts, such as led to the Great Recession.
    Most people understand that we have a private sector economy that is driven by the consumer. Tax cuts put more money into the hands of the consumer which gives them choices and less need for that so called liberal help which creates debt. Tax cuts never have to pay for themselves because tax cuts aren't an expense. Amazing that you haven't learned that in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most people understand that we have a private sector economy that is driven by the consumer. Tax cuts put more money into the hands of the consumer which gives them choices and less need for that so called liberal help which creates debt. Tax cuts never have to pay for themselves because tax cuts aren't an expense. Amazing that you haven't learned that in school.
    Again, a simple-minded argument. If taken to its logical conclusion one would have to conclude that we should have no taxes. But in reality there is a always a balance that has to be struck between funding the government and bolstering growth.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, a simple-minded argument. If taken to its logical conclusion one would have to conclude that we should have no taxes. But in reality there is a always a balance that has to be struck between funding the government and bolstering growth.
    We need a govt. just not a 3.7 trillion dollar one and that is something liberals ignore. I have given you the line items of the budget and asked you to tell me what we need and don't need. you didn't answer. Try again, here are the line items, you tell me what we need and don't need on budget and which can be handled by the states?

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Medicare
    Income Security
    Social Security
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
    Net Interest

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We need a govt. just not a 3.7 trillion dollar one and that is something liberals ignore. I have given you the line items of the budget and asked you to tell me what we need and don't need. you didn't answer. Try again, here are the line items, you tell me what we need and don't need on budget and which can be handled by the states?

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Medicare
    Income Security
    Social Security
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
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    We need all of those things, though we can obvioulsy reduce spending in some areas. Clearly defense needs to be cut and entitlements need to be reformed.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    We need all of those things, though we can obvioulsy reduce spending in some areas. Clearly defense needs to be cut and entitlements need to be reformed.
    No we don't need all those things funded at the federal level as many are funded at the state level. As for entitlement spending they need to be removed from the budget immediately.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As you may have heard, the "Super Committee" was a giant flop. That was completely predictable from the moment that the membership announced, as the GOP nominated members who were unlikely to negotiate in good faith.

    Unfortunately our politicians, and in particular our Republican politicians, do not respond to obvious answers.

    Hard to say how often this has been pointed out but the Democrats controlled the Senate, House and Presidency for two years and of course the debt rose, spending rose, the only budget presented by Obama was defeated 97-0, etc. The United States is leaderless, the President is flailing helplessly about for someone to blame and of course it's the opposition party who never even had a look-in for two years who he is trying to pin it on.

    This is characteristic of the current administration and its supporters but is also indicative of the Left in general. They cannot and will not accept the consequences of their own actions. That is the liberal Wonderland that Sowell referred to and we can see the results of this adolescent behavior playing itself out every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hard to say how often this has been pointed out but the Democrats controlled the Senate, House and Presidency for two years and of course the debt rose, spending rose, the only budget presented by Obama was defeated 97-0, etc. The United States is leaderless, the President is flailing helplessly about for someone to blame and of course it's the opposition party who never even had a look-in for two years who he is trying to pin it on.

    This is characteristic of the current administration and its supporters but is also indicative of the Left in general. They cannot and will not accept the consequences of their own actions. That is the liberal Wonderland that Sowell referred to and we can see the results of this adolescent behavior playing itself out every day.
    Even harder to forget that the Republicans controlled the WH, House and Senate for six years leading up to the worst recession since WWII, coupled with disastrous tax cuts that blew up the budget, and an idiotic war that cost us a trillion dollars and running. Pretty hard to ignore that those same Republicans have been fighting tooth and nail to prevent absolutely every proposed measure designed to address the aftermath of that devastation. And it's REALLY hard to ignore the completely mendacious attempts to pawn this disaster off on a powerless Democratic Congress that stepped in after the die was cast. That last part is particularly laughable.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Even harder to forget that the Republicans controlled the WH, House and Senate for six years leading up to the worst recession since WWII, coupled with disastrous tax cuts that blew up the budget, and an idiotic war that cost us a trillion dollars and running. Pretty hard to ignore that those same Republicans have been fighting tooth and nail to prevent absolutely every proposed measure designed to address the aftermath of that devastation. And it's REALLY hard to ignore the completely mendacious attempts to pawn this disaster off on a powerless Democratic Congress that stepped in after the die was cast. That last part is particularly laughable.
    Keep re-writing history. Your outrage over the war has blinded you to reality. The war has cost 1.4 trillion dollars over 10 years or 140 billion a year so no war we would still have a debt wll over 13.6 trillion dollars. Further I know this is hard for you to understand but Democrats controlled the Senate in mid year 2001-2002 and then full control 2007-2008. Your lack of understanding of history is staggering. Regardless however since Obama took office with a Democrat Congress he has added 4.4 trillion to the debt in 3 years so I wouldn't be talking much about debt if I were you. Because Republicans spent too much does that give Obama a pass for putting spending on steroids?

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