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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Does the fact that someone else has more than you inhibit your ability to gain success like them?

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    I do think you miss his point.

    But let me ask you this. If the game is set to help those withmore the most, and it is with corporate welfare and other perks, and this leads to a small percentage having most everything, do the odds increase that you'll likely reach the top or decrease?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    * The top 5% of income earners control 62% of the country's net wealth;

    * The bottom 80% of income earners control only 15% of the country's net wealth;

    * The top 5% control 72% of the country's financial wealth;

    * The top 10% control virtually all of the financial wealth;

    * The top 1% control 43% of the financial wealth;

    So, why do the wealthy pay so much in taxes? A: because they have all the money.

    And you know what? If you're carrying around a suitcase loaded up with gold bars, don't expect people to feel sorry for you because your suitcase is so heavy.
    Have you ever stopped to consider why any of this is? Because I seriously doubt it. So many people are very upset about these numbers and never look at why. Instead they whine and cry and throw little hissy fits about the facts. The top 5% control the countries wealth right? Why not focus on the other 95% (or more) who are lining up the give the top 5% even more money? These guys are rich because they have hundreds of millions of people who can't throw money at them fast enough. 95% of the population or more who are upset about these discrepancies are sitting back waiting for the government to force these guys to stop making money. Rather than do anything themselves like people should be doing they are going to keep crying and whining and all the time they are doing that they continue to throw money at these people they supposedly don't like. How can you blame the rich for accepting the money you cant stop yourself from giving them?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Does the fact that someone else has more than you inhibit your ability to gain success like them?

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    Not at all. Not that it has the slightly relevance to the topic at hand.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Have you ever stopped to consider why any of this is? Because I seriously doubt it. So many people are very upset about these numbers and never look at why. Instead they whine and cry and throw little hissy fits about the facts. The top 5% control the countries wealth right? Why not focus on the other 95% (or more) who are lining up the give the top 5% even more money? These guys are rich because they have hundreds of millions of people who can't throw money at them fast enough. 95% of the population or more who are upset about these discrepancies are sitting back waiting for the government to force these guys to stop making money. Rather than do anything themselves like people should be doing they are going to keep crying and whining and all the time they are doing that they continue to throw money at these people they supposedly don't like. How can you blame the rich for accepting the money you cant stop yourself from giving them?
    Wow, what an elitist attitude! 95% of Americans are lazy slackers who just aren't trying to get ahead! Amazing that you have so little regard for your fellow countrymen.

    But aside from that, this isn't about BLAMING anyone. It is, once again, a pragmatic argument. We ned to collect more revenue. The best place to look for it is the place where all the money is.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But aside from that, this isn't about BLAMING anyone. It is, once again, a pragmatic argument. We ned to collect more revenue. The best place to look for it is the place where all the money is.
    I might buy into the bolded part of your statement if it also contained a statement of cutting waste. My personal view is not to throw more money at a group (Congress) who seems to be bent on funding every little request. Cutting loopholes, pork barrell projects, is a place to start. Congress needs to let the taxpayer know what it wants to fund within a balanced budget under current tax structure. Then tell us what more they would like to do and the costs. Then hold them to it.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I might buy into the bolded part of your statement if it also contained a statement of cutting waste. My personal view is not to throw more money at a group (Congress) who seems to be bent on funding every little request. Cutting loopholes, pork barrell projects, is a place to start. Congress needs to let the taxpayer know what it wants to fund within a balanced budget under current tax structure. Then tell us what more they would like to do and the costs. Then hold them to it.
    Oh yeah, it's given that we need to cut spending, too. We should always seek to eliminate waste, but as a practical matter you just don't save that much that way. Reagan tried and failed miserably. What we absolutely have to do is reform Medicare and cut military spending. That's where the fat is.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Wow, what an elitist attitude! 95% of Americans are lazy slackers who just aren't trying to get ahead! Amazing that you have so little regard for your fellow countrymen.

    But aside from that, this isn't about BLAMING anyone. It is, once again, a pragmatic argument. We ned to collect more revenue. The best place to look for it is the place where all the money is.
    It is about blaming. How do I have so little regard for my countrymen? Because I think if they want change they should do it themselves rather than just whine and cry? Did you not read what I wrote or do you just not understand it? To simplify that for you, if you don't like a few people controlling the money, give your money to more people.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    It is about blaming. How do I have so little regard for my countrymen? Because I think if they want change they should do it themselves rather than just whine and cry? Did you not read what I wrote or do you just not understand it? To simplify that for you, if you don't like a few people controlling the money, give your money to more people.
    No, sorry, it is not about blaming. I'm not making a value judgment about the rich or poor. I'm simply pointing out the if you want to collect more revenue, the best place to look is the place where you will find the money.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    The better solution would be to increase the number of taxpayers by job creation. Stealing from the rich is a short term, poor solution. What we need is less government waste, more jobs, more self sufficient adults, less people reliant on state care. Those jobs would help more than anything. Also, increasing tourism to this country would help immensely. Or stopping this ARRA bull**** and letting BAA be significant. Or if you want more taxes, tax the hell out imports. Increase exports so other countries money is coming in rather than our countries money always going out.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so are you saying that people should be limited as to the wealth, or the rate at which they can amass said wealth?
    No, nowhere do I say they should be limited to how much they can make and how much they can amass, it seems you missed the part about the taxes. ​The middle class didn't fare as well as the top 1%.

    "In other words, the top 1% share of income grew nearly five times faster than their share of taxes".




    The Tax Foundation reported in July 2009 that between 2000 and 2007, pre-tax income for the top 1 percent of tax returns grew by 50 percent, while pre-tax income for the bottom 50 percent increased by 29 percent (not adjusted for inflation) ...

    Since 2001, the average tax rate has fallen from 4.09 percent to 2.99 percent for the bottom 50 percent of tax returns and has fallen from 28.20 percent to 21.46 percent for the top 0.1 percent and 27.5 percent to 22.45 percent for the top 1 percent. TAXFOUNDATION



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