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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I through together a chart showing the increase or decrease of tax burden on different economic groups. The groups are broken into quintiles (20%). It shows that we are putting a increase on the top 20% for the last 20 years to pay more of our taxes, while the bottom 80%'s share is going down.

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    Data is from the CBO. http://www.cbo.gov/publications/coll...ity_shares.pdf
    however, you have failed to note that the dollar amount of income has risen for the top %.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Now, if you want a flat rate I could go for that ... if it was a flat property tax rather than a flat income tax. See, what you miss in your "fairness" analysis is that a middle class person who pays at a 17% rate is actually being taxed at close to 100% of his DISPOSABLE income, whereas a rich person being taxed at a 22% rate is being taxed at 22% of HIS disposable income. Does that seem fair?
    Disposable income leaves too much to the imagination. Income is the key. Income period. When you take more % wise from a person it does become unfair. That is a penalty for being successful. Its discrimination. Treating a person of a certain class differently. Every person should be responsible for themselves. If they want more money, they need to earn more money. Not continually try to take money from those that do. All things equal, that is fair. Divisions amongst different groups of people is not.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Even when you compare their increase in income, you will see that they are being burdened more now than before.

    The graph below takes each groups tax liability vs. their share of income by year. It shows that everone but the top 20% are going down. Signalling a increased burden on the top 20%.

    tax liability vs. share of income.JPG
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Still higher favorability ratings than the Tea Party or Congress, though...
    Which means what? OWS failed miserably. They didn't get their message out except to beat up police officers.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ View Post
    Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably - 2012 Decoded

    Does this mean the revolution will be called off?
    This does not surprise me. The American public (not including the extreme liberals or conservatives) has had a long history of disliking groups that put a line in the sand for whatever reason. This goes for the tea party, congress (lately), OWS, etc.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'd say it means that Americans are waking up to the fact that, since they actually like a lot of what the government does, they may actually have to pony up for it.
    What do you think anyone can do to prevent the entire system from crashing? What will we call what comes after the experiment in self government has failed?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    See, what you miss in your "fairness" analysis is that a middle class person who pays at a 17% rate is actually being taxed at close to 100% of his DISPOSABLE income, whereas a rich person being taxed at a 22% rate is being taxed at 22% of HIS disposable income. Does that seem fair?
    I have seen this somewhere before...let me see...who wrote that down..From each according to his abilities...oh yeah...Radical Karl...

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularised by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.[1] The phrase summarizes the principles that, in a communist society, every person should contribute to society to the best of his or her ability and consume from society in proportion to his or her needs. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs.


    And a half dozen of you on the wrong side of history right here in our little utopia agree with him.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Disposable income leaves too much to the imagination. Income is the key. Income period. When you take more % wise from a person it does become unfair. That is a penalty for being successful. Its discrimination. Treating a person of a certain class differently. Every person should be responsible for themselves. If they want more money, they need to earn more money. Not continually try to take money from those that do. All things equal, that is fair. Divisions amongst different groups of people is not.
    We could see it more clearly if we used race to determine the progressiveness of the income taxes. Let's say if you are black you pay a larger percentage than if you are Hispanic than if you are Asian than if you are white. Suddenly people on the left would wonder why we are penalizing people for their skin color. Those same people cannot imagine there is anything wrong based on penalizing them for their success.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Disposable income leaves too much to the imagination.
    Hardly. Disposable income is what you have after you pay for basic food, shelter, transportation, and health care.

    I suggest you give this a read. It's pretty revealing: Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power

    Some of the highlights:

    * The top 5% of income earners control 62% of the country's net wealth;

    * The bottom 80% of income earners control only 15% of the country's net wealth;

    * The top 5% control 72% of the country's financial wealth;

    * The top 10% control virtually all of the financial wealth;

    * The top 1% control 43% of the financial wealth;

    So, why do the wealthy pay so much in taxes? A: because they have all the money.

    And you know what? If you're carrying around a suitcase loaded up with gold bars, don't expect people to feel sorry for you because your suitcase is so heavy.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hardly. Disposable income is what you have after you pay for basic food, shelter, transportation, and health care.

    I suggest you give this a read. It's pretty revealing: Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power

    Some of the highlights:

    * The top 5% of income earners control 62% of the country's net wealth;

    * The bottom 80% of income earners control only 15% of the country's net wealth;

    * The top 5% control 72% of the country's financial wealth;

    * The top 10% control virtually all of the financial wealth;

    * The top 1% control 43% of the financial wealth;

    So, why do the wealthy pay so much in taxes? A: because they have all the money.

    And you know what? If you're carrying around a suitcase loaded up with gold bars, don't expect people to feel sorry for you because your suitcase is so heavy.
    Does the fact that someone else has more than you inhibit your ability to gain success like them?

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