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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So its Monsanto's fault that you refuse to support your local business and instead CHOOSE to give money to them? Nice job with accountability there buddy.
    Local farmers may very well be using Monsanto seed as well. I don't know where and how I can find that out. Do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Oh you mean when they talk about the "leeching" class (or whatever they call it)? Can you remember what they call poor people? I can't off the top of my head but it relates to them leeching.
    “Class warfare,” as Stewart says at the end of his masterful piece, is scorned on Fox, which turns around and practices it on the poor and working classes, whom it calls “parasites,” “animals,” “takers,” and “moochers.” This campaign is so all-encompassing that the network even questions whether the poor exist, putting the word in scare quotes for an appalling Stuart Varney segment on how most poor people have luxuries like refrigerators and air conditioning.

    Jon Stewart On Fox's Reverse Class Warfare : CJR

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Because people are jealous of the rich. Penalize anyone who has more than me!
    BZZZZT!! Thanks for playing, please insert another quarter to play again.

    WHY do the rich need to pay more in taxes? Because:

    1. We need to raise more revenue, even if we cut spending dramatically;
    2. The rich, unlike the poor and middle class, can pay higher taxes without suffering;
    3. The rich benefitted more than the poor and middle class from previous tax cuts;
    4. The rich are paying at very low rate relative to rates over the last 80 years;
    5. The rich have prospered over the last 30 years while every other group has lost ground or marched in place.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    “Class warfare,” as Stewart says at the end of his masterful piece, is scorned on Fox, which turns around and practices it on the poor and working classes, whom it calls “parasites,” “animals,” “takers,” and “moochers.” This campaign is so all-encompassing that the network even questions whether the poor exist, putting the word in scare quotes for an appalling Stuart Varney segment on how most poor people have luxuries like refrigerators and air conditioning.

    Jon Stewart On Fox's Reverse Class Warfare : CJR
    Parasites! That's what it is!
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    BZZZZT!! Thanks for playing, please insert another quarter to play again.
    Don't try and get cute, you're not very good at it, and it comes off as insulting, and arrogant.

    WHY do the rich need to pay more in taxes? Because:

    1. We need to raise more revenue, even if we cut spending dramatically;
    So then broaden the base, and do the cuts first as a gesture of good faith since every time demo's proposed cuts in the past coupled with tax hikes, the hikes come, the cuts don't.

    Simply, we don't trust liberal promises anymore.

    2. The rich, unlike the poor and middle class, can pay higher taxes without suffering;
    Who voted you the arbiter of what others can, or can not afford? Or what is rich, and what isn't?

    3. The rich benefitted more than the poor and middle class from previous tax cuts;
    That may be true, but to penalize them for that is more jealousy based than it is anything concerning "fair"

    4. The rich are paying at very low rate relative to rates over the last 80 years;
    More jealousy, but so what! We have more percentage paying not one dime than ever before much less the last 80 years. What about them getting some skin in the game?

    5. The rich have prospered over the last 30 years while every other group has lost ground or marched in place.
    And more jealousy. The income inequality is not going to be solved by destroying the people responsible for creating the jobs, or having the means to invest so that others can work. Believe me, if it gets too bad they will just leave.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    “Class warfare,” as Stewart says at the end of his masterful piece, is scorned on Fox, which turns around and practices it on the poor and working classes, whom it calls “parasites,” “animals,” “takers,” and “moochers.” This campaign is so all-encompassing that the network even questions whether the poor exist, putting the word in scare quotes for an appalling Stuart Varney segment on how most poor people have luxuries like refrigerators and air conditioning.

    Jon Stewart On Fox's Reverse Class Warfare : CJR

    Stewart, although funny, is a partisan hack comedian. Telling that you derive your opinion from the snark he attacks with, rather than think of real solutions, or compromise.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Stewart, although funny, is a partisan hack comedian. Telling that you derive your opinion from the snark he attacks with, rather than think of real solutions, or compromise.

    j-mac
    Doesn't matter one single bit. He's correct. As I keep telling you, bias means nothing. Accuracy does. And all you ahve to do is watch Fox or the clips to knwo he is accurate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter one single bit. He's correct. As I keep telling you, bias means nothing. Accuracy does. And all you ahve to do is watch Fox or the clips to knwo he is accurate.
    Are his clips edited?


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't try and get cute, you're not very good at it, and it comes off as insulting, and arrogant.
    You are something of an authority on completely unwarranted arrogance, I will give you that.


    So then broaden the base, and do the cuts first as a gesture of good faith since every time demo's proposed cuts in the past coupled with tax hikes, the hikes come, the cuts don't.
    Simply, we don't trust liberal promises anymore.
    How about a few examples to illustrate what you're talking about? You mean like when Clinton raised taxes and cut spending, thus balancing the budget?

    Who voted you the arbiter of what others can, or can not afford? Or what is rich, and what isn't?
    Who elected you the arbiter of what opinions other people may or may not express? Are you blind to the absolute irony of your comment?

    That may be true, but to penalize them for that is more jealousy based than it is anything concerning "fair"
    Actually it has absolutely nothing to do with jealousy. That is a pathetic wingnut talking point that you should really try to get past.

    More jealousy, but so what! We have more percentage paying not one dime than ever before much less the last 80 years. What about them getting some skin in the game?
    Yes, I agree that everyone should be paying more. But it needs to be much more progressive than it has been in recent years.

    And more jealousy. The income inequality is not going to be solved by destroying the people responsible for creating the jobs, or having the means to invest so that others can work. Believe me, if it gets too bad they will just leave.
    Really, get over the jealousy canard. It has no basis in fact and it just makes you look stupider. You've compounded multiple strawman arguments into one sentence and that's bad enough. No one claims that bumping the top income rate a few percent is going to solve income inequality. Nor is going to destroy the wealthy if they have to pay historically average income tax rates. Believe me, taxes on the rich have been *much* higher in the past, and they didn't go anywhere.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are his clips edited?


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    Of course, but not in a way that changes what was said. No splicing to make it seem like they said something they didn't. Sorry, j. You're just trying to excuse poor behavior that you want to be what it isn't.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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