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Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
What you could do is provide links to independent analysis as I've done. But you can't, of course, because the hodge-podge of environment killing bills you're trying to foist off as a jobs plan is nothing of the kind.

You think posting what economists think is a viable prediction of job creation? Who picks up the cost of those jobs now and after the federal dollars run out? You do understand the difference between public and private sector funding, right?

misterman · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
I can show you how many jobs the Obama Administration has lost since they took office and added 4.4 trillion to the debt. Will that do? You think that things would be worse?

No you can't. The Obama Administration doesn't sit around firing people and borrowing money.

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
You think posting what economists think is a viable prediction of job creation? Who picks up the cost of those jobs now and after the federal dollars run out? You do understand the difference between public and private sector funding, right?

What I think is that it's absolute bullsh*t to claim that something is a job creation program when you won't even offer a guesstimate as to how many jobs the measure would create -- let alone independent analysis.

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
You think posting what economists think is a viable prediction of job creation?

Okay so what would you go by?

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

misterman said:
No you can't. The Obama Administration doesn't sit around firing people and borrowing money.

Well there is an old name out of the past, Yes, I can show how many jobs have been lost by posting BLS.gov data and have

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
What I think is that it's absolute bullsh*t to claim that something is a job creation program when you won't even offer a guesstimate as to how many jobs the measure would create -- let alone independent analysis.

Why are we arguing about something that cannot even get 100% Democrat support and after Stimulus 1 failed? What is bull**** is your continued support for the Obama failed economic policies

AdamT · Nov 27, 2011

Misterveritis said:
My point was that they have a declared agenda. You might recognize it. I am sure their lean is similar to yours. Given one's particular desire I am certain they could find an economist, or two, who agree with their position.

And my point is that they didn't write the article I cited, so their lean is irrelevant.

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Well there is an old name out of the past, Yes, I can show how many jobs have been lost by posting BLS.gov data and have

And I can show you , as I have in the past, that during the Bush tenure more government jobs were created than private sector jobs using BLS data.

pbrauer · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Govt. jobs are offset by the cost to the taxpayers so any benefit is reduced by the debt that occurs from those jobs. Apparently debt that now exceeds our yearly GDP doesn't bother you? Much of the Obama jobs plan focuses on paying for teachers and fire fighters which are state responsibility. Anyway once that money is exhausted who picks up the tab? That is known as "kicking the can down the road" all for personal political gain.

Are you saying the government shouldn't hire anyone, Con?

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
And I can show you , as I have in the past, that during the Bush tenure more government jobs were created than private sector jobs using BLS data.

Here are the private sector job growth from 2001, take your best shot

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 2001 to 2011

Year Jan
2001 111634
2002 109214
2003 108640
2004 108882
2005 110718
2006 113247
2007 114993
2008 115610
2009 110981
2010 106793
2011 108102

Misterveritis · Nov 27, 2011

AdamT said:
And my point is that they didn't write the article I cited, so their lean is irrelevant.

How many times have they printed something they did not agree with?

misterman · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Well there is an old name out of the past, Yes, I can show how many jobs have been lost by posting BLS.gov data and have

But you can't blame that all on the administration. The president who happens to be in charge when something happens isn't 100% responsible for it.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

pbrauer said:
Are you saying the government shouldn't hire anyone, Con?

I am saying private sector jobs are preferable to public sector jobs as private sector jobs don't create public debt

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

misterman said:
But you can't blame that all on the administration. The president who happens to be in charge when something happens isn't 100% responsible for it.

He is when he has total control of the Congress and overwhelming numbers. Where have you been, people here are blaming Bush for the recession and debt even with Democrat control of the Congress?

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
He is when he has total control of the Congress and overwhelming numbers. Where have you been, people here are blaming Bush for the recession and debt even with Democrat control of the Congress?

And you want to blame this condition on Obama. Fact is it did not happen overnight.

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Here are the private sector job growth from 2001, take your best shot

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 2001 to 2011

Year Jan
2001 111634
2002 109214
2003 108640
2004 108882
2005 110718
2006 113247
2007 114993
2008 115610
2009 110981
2010 106793
2011 108102

So what about the government jobs?

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
And you want to blame this condition on Obama. Fact is it did not happen overnight.

Condition, no, lack of leadership and current results, you bet.

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Condition, no, lack of leadership and current results, you bet.

Current results sure beat losing 750k jobs per month.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
Current results sure beat losing 750k jobs per month.

Bush had a net job gain and so far Obama has a net job loss and that net job loss cost 4.4 trillion added to the debt. Want to troll tonight

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Bush had a net job gain and so far Obama has a net job loss and that net job loss cost 4.4 trillion added to the debt. Want to troll tonight

Nah your doing fine at that.

BTW Bush also handed Obama a job market that was losing 750k jobs per month.

Pretty tall order for the new guy coming in.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
Nah your doing fine at that.

BTW Bush also handed Obama a job market that was losing 750k jobs per month.

Pretty tall order for the new guy coming in.

Somehow Obama managed to spend trillions, add 4.4 trillion to the debt and still have a net job loss. that is poor leadership and poor results. Obama economic policy went into effect Feb. 2009 or did you forget? You keep making excuses for Obama, why do you have such low standards when it comes to Democrats?

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Somehow Obama managed to spend trillions, add 4.4 trillion to the debt and still have a net job loss. that is poor leadership and poor results. Obama economic policy went into effect Feb. 2009 or did you forget?

Yep and the job losses started to reverse course as well as the GDP.

You keep making excuses for Obama, why do you have such low standards when it comes to Democrats?

I don't.

Conservative · Nov 27, 2011

winston53660 said:
Yep and the job losses started to reverse course as well as the GDP.

I don't.

If you spent trillions of dollars shouldn't the GDP improve and the jobs losses turn to a gain? That is poor leadership and poor results to generate the less than 2% GDP growth in 2011 and the 2 million net job losses that we still have today.

winston53660 · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
If you spent trillions of dollars shouldn't the GDP improve and the jobs losses turn to a gain? That is poor leadership and poor results to generate the less than 2% GDP growth in 2011 and the 2 million net job losses that we still have today.

On a 14 trillion dollar economy a 2% gain is how much dollar wise?

pbrauer · Nov 27, 2011

Conservative said:
Here are the private sector job growth from 2001, take your best shot

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 2001 to 2011

Year Jan
2001 111634
2002 109214
2003 108640
2004 108882
2005 110718
2006 113247
2007 114993
2008 115610
2009 110981
2010 106793
2011 108102

In January 2001 Clinton hands to Bush 111634 jobs
In January 2009 Bush hands Obama 110981 jobs for a net loss of 653 with the economy in deep recession.