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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, their approval ratings are higher than either Wall Street's or the Tea Party's.

    OWS: 32%-35%
    Big corporations: 16%
    Tea Party: 27%

    Poll shows Occupy Wall Street more popular than Tea Party - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com
    Poll: Occupiers fare better than Wall St. - CBS News
    32%-35%? Not bad for rioters who don't even have a clear message.

    So what does that tell us? That a third of the American public are more than a little goofy?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    32%-35%? Not bad for rioters who don't even have a clear message.

    So what does that tell us? That a third of the American public are more than a little goofy?
    Honestly, it sounds a bit like you're getting your information about what OWS is about from Fox or similar. Their message is very clear. They're sick of getting screwed by the combined forces of government and the super rich/corporations. That's it. That's their message. I don't know why so many folks are having such a hard time grasping that... It's pretty clear cut, no?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Honestly, it sounds a bit like you're getting your information about what OWS is about from Fox or similar. Their message is very clear. They're sick of getting screwed by the combined forces of government and the super rich/corporations. That's it. That's their message. I don't know why so many folks are having such a hard time grasping that... It's pretty clear cut, no?
    Actually I'm responding to posters on this thread and have offered no links whatsoever.

    What is the OWS solution to this problem of government, the super rich and corporations? And how do they feel they are getting screwed over? What were their expectations?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What is the OWS solution to this problem of government, the super rich and corporations?
    They don't have one. They aren't a policy making institute or a political party, they're a bunch of people expressing their dismay at the way they're being treated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And how do they feel they are getting screwed over? What were their expectations?
    They feel that they are being screwed over because all the economic growth in this country- which is created by all the hard working people- is ending up in the pockets of a very small number of people. GDP per capita in the US has increased by around 300% since the 1960s and productivity per year per worker has increased almost as much. But the median income has only increased 40% during that same period. In the 60s a family only needed to have one person working 40 hours a week to provide housing, health care, food, transportation, etc. Now it takes two or more people working and they're being expected to work 50 or 60 hours a week. Despite that, they're having a harder time covering those same basics.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    They don't have one. They aren't a policy making institute or a political party, they're a bunch of people expressing their dismay at the way they're being treated.
    Okay. And how are they being (mis) treated? What do they expect the government to do?

    They feel that they are being screwed over because all the economic growth in this country- which is created by all the hard working people- is ending up in the pockets of a very small number of people. GDP per capita in the US has increased by around 300% since the 1960s and productivity per year per worker has increased almost as much. But the median income has only increased 40% during that same period. In the 60s a family only needed to have one person working 40 hours a week to provide housing, health care, food, transportation, etc. Now it takes two or more people working and they're being expected to work 50 or 60 hours a week. Despite that, they're having a harder time covering those same basics.
    What you say is true. At one time one working man could afford to support a wife and children but since the "Great Society" and the taxes it takes to support these programs, one man can no longer support a family and the government as well. That has resulted in the break-up of the family, more abortions, more single parents, more drugs, more public debt, and so on.

    If you want to get the government under control again you should consider the Tea Party. They are the only ones who have directed their attention to the specific problem of high taxes and out-of-control government spending. But because the last generation of Americans have become accustomed to government programs it will be a very difficult job to stop them. It will take a collapse as we see in Greece before people can get realistic.

    Only fools rely on the government to look after them, and that includes their retirement and their health. The rich are only looking after themselves and their families, and so they should, though crony capitalism among the rich and the government has become a huge problem. We can see money disappearing down a hole but no one ever really knows who is responsible. That money should have been kept in the pockets of the American families and not been thrown away on corrupt pet projects.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What you say is true. At one time one working man could afford to support a wife and children but since the "Great Society" and the taxes it takes to support these programs, one man can no longer support a family and the government as well. That has resulted in the break-up of the family, more abortions, more single parents, more drugs, more public debt, and so on.

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    You date this to the Great Society?!?!?!?! I could have sworn it was the Reagan Years.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You date this to the Great Society?!?!?!?! I could have sworn it was the Reagan Years.
    Then you would have been wrong.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What you say is true. At one time one working man could afford to support a wife and children but since the "Great Society" and the taxes it takes to support these programs, one man can no longer support a family and the government as well.
    Taxes are way lower today than they were before the great society.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Taxes are way lower today than they were before the great society.
    In what way?

    The growth of government has grown enormously during that period and as government grows the middle class shrinks.

    Here's a brief history.http://faculty.virginia.edu/sixties/...cyclopedia.pdf

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In what way?
    The Great Society legislation was passed between 1964 and 1966. In 1963 the top income tax bracket was taxed at 91%. Today it is 35%. Long term capital gains were taxed at 50% in 1963, where today they are taxed at 15%. The top estate tax bracket in 1963 was 70%. Today it is 35%. Etc.

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