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Thread: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    States have a responsibility to their citizens, if they over spend it is up to the people of that state to correct the problem, not get help from taxpayers in other states. That is called accepting personal responsibility. It is not your responsibility to pay for expenses in my state.
    We are all Americans.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by FFDP666 View Post
    Our military budget is way overblown, the expense of maintaining an empire is costly.
    That would be true if military spending was justifiable by national defense. I am of the opinion that national defense is a secondary benefit of the spending. Its primary benefit is that it allows the ‘regime’, of whatever country/era, to manipulate the economy. Consider that it is the largest portion of the economy that produces ‘waste’, outcome that has no other tangible use (munitions). In the 1990’s we had a booming economy, based on the emerging computer/it/.com activities, thus needed less MIC (mil-ind complex) to stabilize the economy. In the early 2000’s the .com bubble collapsed thus weakening the economy. During the same period our economic growth was more dependent on housing, public and private debt which is unsustainable in the long term. This growth basis promoted the increase in MIC spending during the same time and COULD be the underlying purpose in expanding the ‘spending’ in Iraq. Until we, nationally and globally, find a ‘mechanism’ to utilize to stabilize the economy MIC/war spending will provide the best source of ‘production for waste’.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most people making 50,000 a year don't pay any FIT based upon tax policy and deductions available.
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    ost people making 50k per year have a heavier tax burden.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by FFDP666 View Post
    Well how low should taxes be then Conservative? how much is enough? they are already lower than ever, but thats not good enough is it? we need less and less, so those darn poor people can't get any of your money!
    What we need is a growing economy from which the govt. gets revenue. the focus solely on Income tax revenue is nearsighted. First thing has to be to define the role of the govt. and put a realistic budget in place, then match that budget with revenue requirements. Right now 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans aren't paying much in FIT and 47% of current income earning households aren't paying a dime in FIT. Most liberals ignore that problem if you indeed believe we have a revenue problem. I don't, I believe we have a spending problem along with a GDP growth problem.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
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    ost people making 50k per year have a heavier tax burden.
    Not a FIT Burden and that is what funds the Federal Govt.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by FFDP666 View Post
    We are all Americans.
    Yes and as Americans we have personal responsibility for our own expenses. I don't expect you to fund my retirement but you are. I don't expect you to pay my state expenses but you are, all because the Federal Govt. is allowed to collect taxdollars and spend it on personal responsibility issues.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    @Conservative, so what you are saying basically is military spending boosts the economy? I'm not disagreeing with you, just making sure thats what you are saying.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    Not a FIT Burden and that is what funds the Federal Govt.
    And your point is?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes and as Americans we have personal responsibility for our own expenses. I don't expect you to fund my retirement but you are. I don't expect you to pay my state expenses but you are, all because the Federal Govt. is allowed to collect taxdollars and spend it on personal responsibility issues.
    I'm not paying for your retirement, just a part of it, because I don't think SS is a livable wage. Plus, on that premise, why should i care, if i'm getting that same benefit when i get to your age? BUTTTTTT who knows if i will have that when i get there, but on a philosophical level I have no problem paying that tax, when i would be getting it back when i retire.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by FFDP666 View Post
    @Conservative, so what you are saying basically is military spending boosts the economy? I'm not disagreeing with you, just making sure thats what you are saying.
    Govt. spending is 20% of the economy. What I am saying is that it is the role of the govt to defend this country and for anyone to claim that our current 750 billion dollar budget is the reason for our 3.7 trillion dollar budget makes them naive and flat wrong. Eliminate the defense and you still have a 500 billion plus deficit

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