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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He had to pump up payroll taxes to cover for the drastic reduction in FIT revenue. Now you want to ignore the fact that people are paying higher payroll taxes and bitch because they're paying lower FIT ... which has always been the Republicans' No. 1 goal. It's rather incredible.
    So you don't have any problem with your SS being put on budget and used for spending on let's say defense? Brilliant response. SS comes back to you when you retire. Why do you support a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So you don't have any problem with your SS being put on budget and used for spending on let's say defense? Brilliant response. SS comes back to you when you retire. Why do you support a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt?
    I don't really care where it's put, as long as the money is there to pay the checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't really care where it's put, as long as the money is there to pay the checks.
    Sounds like a true liberal to me,, you don't have a problem with being forced into contributing to SS and then having that money spent on everything other than what it was intended. Where do you think the repayment is going to come from when you retire?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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    Sounds like a true liberal to me,, you don't have a problem with being forced into contributing to SS and then having that money spent on everything other than what it was intended. Where do you think the repayment is going to come from when you retire?
    As I said, I don't care, as long as it's funded. The way to fund it is to raise sufficient revenue and cut spending so that we have manageable deficits.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As I said, I don't care, as long as it's funded. The way to fund it is to raise sufficient revenue and cut spending so that we have manageable deficits.
    So where is the money going to come from to fund it. We have a known 15 trillion dollar debt and trillions more of debt in the Intergovt. holdings which are SS and Medicare. Better rev up those printing presses, right? Doesn't look like you have a clue.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sounds like a true liberal to me,, you don't have a problem with being forced into contributing to SS and then having that money spent on everything other than what it was intended. Where do you think the repayment is going to come from when you retire?
    The money is invested in U.S. securities, the proceeds of the sale are put into the Treasury. There is currently approx. $2.4 trillion in the social security trust fund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The money is invested in U.S. securities, the proceeds of the sale are put into the Treasury. There is currently approx. $2.4 trillion in the social security trust fund.
    Oh, good Lord, where does the money come from to pay for those securities? You don't have a clue where the money comes from that funds those U.S. Securities. There are IOU's in the trust fund not cash. I cannot believe that you think that having U.S. Securities assures that means actual cash in the future

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    yes, i do know that thus the joke that liberals make of this issue. FIT funds the FEDERAL GOVT. Do you understand that? how is raising the taxes on one class going to help the economy? How did any rich person hurt you or your family? Those evil rich people now pay for 38% of the Federal Income taxes collected and 47% of income earning households don't pay any Federal Income tax. Is that paying their fair share?
    I just think since, as YOU said, the majority of our tax revenue comes from income taxes, and a huge chunk of income taxes comes from the richest in the country, and since their rate is the LOWEST ITS EVER BEEN IN HISTORY!!!...why not raise that as but one part in reducing the debt and paying for important parts of government? Now, come on, you have to admit, thats not so bad.

    Also, like i said before, those 47 percent, don't pay income tax, and as a whole, it wouldn't amount to much anyway if you collected an income tax from them, but on an individual level, they need that money MUCH more than any high earner ever possibly could. I'll stop with the stupid sarcasm, if you can tell me why considering taxes for the rich are at their lowest point or at least one of their lowest points ever in American history, we can't raise it a bit as part of a bigger action to help fix our financial issues.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    And since ^that stuff i said, is a big part of Occupy Wall Streets message, I thus support them.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    FFDP666;1060022959]I just think since, as YOU said, the majority of our tax revenue comes from income taxes, and a huge chunk of income taxes comes from the richest in the country, and since their rate is the LOWEST ITS EVER BEEN IN HISTORY!!!...why not raise that as but one part in reducing the debt and paying for important parts of government? Now, come on, you have to admit, thats not so bad.
    Because first of all that is naive, the bureaucrats in DC buy votes with their spending and there is no interest in cutting spending at all. Further there isn't enough revenue available from the rich to make a difference and the consequences are something liberals never think about

    Also, like i said before, those 47 percent, don't pay income tax, and as a whole, it wouldn't amount to much anyway if you collected an income tax from them, but on an individual level, they need that money MUCH more than any high earner ever possibly could. I'll stop with the stupid sarcasm, if you can tell me why considering taxes for the rich are at their lowest point or at least one of their lowest points ever in American history, we can't raise it a bit as part of a bigger action to help fix our financial issues.
    Federal Income taxes fund the Federal Govt. and everyone benefits from that govt. not just the rich that pay 38% of all the FIT revenue and 47% of households paying zero. is zero their fair share? There are about 140 million working Americans and that is approximate 116 million households so 47% of those households consists of tens of millions of income earners not paying FIT so it is hardly insignificant.

    Tax rates are the lowest but not tax collections which were up both after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. just because you cut rates doesn't mean you cut revenue. The rich are paying a greater share now than they paid prior to the tax cuts so what you are being told is simply wrong.

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