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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    which would be what? 47% of what's paid in?
    something. everyone should pay something. tax day should not be a day when you get "free money from the government", it should be the day when each of us sacrifices something for our governance.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    something. everyone should pay something. tax day should not be a day when you get "free money from the government", it should be the day when each of us sacrifices something for our governance.
    Based on feelings of what's fair? Or a hypothesis about something else?
    Personally, I don't really care. But I think that these sorts of decisions can really be examined and determined from a numerical pov.
    Are there any benefits to the country at all from putting some money in the hands of people who will spend it?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Based on feelings of what's fair? Or a hypothesis about something else?
    both, firstly, I think it's fair. secondly, (more important than fair), it reduces conflict and is more likely to lead to an adult, reasoned national conversation about how to go about allocating the resources we are all putting in. when everyone is able to point to a very real buy-in, they feel ownership over the results. it would be the most powerful structural measure to create accountability and sanity in governance that we have seen in quite some time. when you use the tax code to create competing classes of payers and takers, you aren't helping the body politic, you are giving it an incentive to turn on and destroy itself.

    Personally, I don't really care. But I think that these sorts of decisions can really be examined and determined from a numerical pov. Are there any benefits to the country at all from putting some money in the hands of people who will spend it?
    no such thing. all money will get spent - the question is, what are alternative uses to government allocation of those funds? is government generally more or less efficient at allocating scarce resources - and what implications does that have for the possibility of economic success that we will see when we dramatically expand the portion of resources we allow it to allocate?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Election day should be moved to April 16th.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    and we should get rid of withholding so everyone can see what government is actually costing them.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and we should get rid of withholding so everyone can see what government is actually costing them.
    Well, I find withholding an easier way to comply with paying, in these times I can't be sure that I would have a years worth of taxes available at the end of the year...Human nature and all..

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I find withholding an easier way to comply with paying, in these times I can't be sure that I would have a years worth of taxes available at the end of the year...Human nature and all..
    that is precisely it. make taxes a bit more difficult to choke down and you'd be amazed how fast the pressure would become for reductions in the size of government .

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is precisely it. make taxes a bit more difficult to choke down and you'd be amazed how fast the pressure would become for reductions in the size of government .

    Yeah, I agree. Plus you want to talk about stimulus to the economy, imagine how an extra $100. to $150. per week in the paycheck would help the economy immediately.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Woops, looks like Americans are viewing OWS a lot more favorably than the Tea Party, or basically anything related to the Republican Party.

    "A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll out last night found that a whopping 60 percent of Americans strongly agree with the basic sentiment of the 99 Percent Movement, as expressed in the statement below:

    The current economic structure of the country is out of balance and favors a very small proportion of the rich over the rest of the country. America needs to reduce the power of major banks and corporations and demand greater accountability and transparency. The government should not provide financial aid to corporations and should not provide tax breaks to the rich.
    Just 33 percent of those polled strongly agreed with a Tea Party GOP message focused on austerity, reducing the size of government, and keeping taxes low for everyone. The poll also found that Occupy Wall Street is viewed more favorably than the Tea Party, the Republican Party, and any of the Republican presidential contenders. The results comport with another poll out yesterday showing that Occupy Wall Street is more popular than both Wall Street itself and Washington, DC."

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...ember_Poll.pdf

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Woops, looks like Americans are viewing OWS a lot more favorably than the Tea Party, or basically anything related to the Republican Party.

    "A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll out last night found that a whopping 60 percent of Americans strongly agree with the basic sentiment of the 99 Percent Movement, as expressed in the statement below:



    Just 33 percent of those polled strongly agreed with a Tea Party GOP message focused on austerity, reducing the size of government, and keeping taxes low for everyone. The poll also found that Occupy Wall Street is viewed more favorably than the Tea Party, the Republican Party, and any of the Republican presidential contenders. The results comport with another poll out yesterday showing that Occupy Wall Street is more popular than both Wall Street itself and Washington, DC."

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...ember_Poll.pdf
    Well that is certainly good news for Canada and Central America. The rich are always welcome here and are far preferable to the draft dodgers.

    And those riots always make for good TV, viewed from the comfort of my living room.

    Seems like a winner all around!

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