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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, nice set up....If America defeats Obama then they are just stupid, is that it? See, I think you don't give people enough credit. America is hurting right now, people are looking at reports coming out of ever increasing spending, and fights over tax issues such as nearly half of America paying nothing in terms of income tax, while they are being asked to bite their lips and endure more, and more. I myself just went through a period where we bought a house, and my wife lost her job, and now almost three months later she gets another job, but it is part time, and will be tough but we'll manage by the skin of our teeth.
    And the GOP candidates are not addressing HOW they will make things better. They are only slamming Obama for what he has done. Sorry, but the whole "Anyone but Obama" is a losing strategy just as the Dems tried it in 2004. Wake up and smell history.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, more people are like us, and will ask themselves in the election booth, 'Is my life today better, or worse? when considering whether or not to pull the lever. And according to CBS, and the general mood of people I see, and talk to, regardless of the class warfare mantra of Obama, 72% people think worse.
    While 72% may think Obama is not doing as good as he should, that doesn't equate to 72% of the people thinking the GOP is going to do better. Face it, you have clowns for candidates. The debates and how they act show it.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Obama loses in that scenario. And weather or not a liberal thinks we are choosing from a weak field of candidates, in the end it isn't up to liberals to choose our candidate, that has been the problem for quite some time is IMHO, allowing liberals to have a say in our decision. Right now Obama loses to a potted plant, so I'd worry more about your chances as a liberal retaining any power at all in DC.

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    I never did say it was up to a liberal, however, I am not the only one saying this. Many on the right are as well and they DO have a say in who gets picked. And how are liberals having a decision in what you say as you claim?

    As for beating a potted plant you are right, a potted plant could beat Obama. Too bad, the GOP are putting up candidates that are worse than a potted plant and Obama will be able to beat them.

    As for power, I am not worried about anything. The pendulum of politics constantly changes. Sometimes it's more right and sometimes it's left. Liberals are not going away anymore than conservatives are. To think otherwise is to be compeltely ignorant of history. But have fun with your pathetic political thetoric if it makes you feel better.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No doubt that repubs really screwed the pooch when it came to the crash, hell, Bush even unmasked as the progressive republican he was with TARP. But, has the Obama administration hit any of their projections for growth, or made things better, or have they just lied about it, and pointed fingers...
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    Well, we were talking about the market, which was below 8,000 when Obama took over and stands at about 12,000 today, so I would say that a 50% improvement in three years is pretty good. In contrast, if you invested in an index fund on day one of Bush's presidency and sold on the last day, you'd have lost about 20% over eight years.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And the GOP candidates are not addressing HOW they will make things better. They are only slamming Obama for what he has done. Sorry, but the whole "Anyone but Obama" is a losing strategy just as the Dems tried it in 2004. Wake up and smell history.
    Then I suggest that you are simply not listening. This is the primary, not the general election. As for 'slamming Obama for what he has done', I'd say that Obama is so NOT proud of his own signature accomplishments, that instead of touting his record as he campaigns, he is not even mentioning it, and instead is immediately unveiled a negative campaign, geared toward class warfare, and finger pointing.

    While 72% may think Obama is not doing as good as he should, that doesn't equate to 72% of the people thinking the GOP is going to do better. Face it, you have clowns for candidates. The debates and how they act show it.
    Is there any situation where today you can see yourself voting for the republican?

    I never did say it was up to a liberal, however, I am not the only one saying this. Many on the right are as well and they DO have a say in who gets picked. And how are liberals having a decision in what you say as you claim?
    By acting as if we should care what the liberal opinion of our choice is....We don't.

    As for beating a potted plant you are right, a potted plant could beat Obama. Too bad, the GOP are putting up candidates that are worse than a potted plant and Obama will be able to beat them.
    So you think that Obama has done a terrible job as well....Good. But, we'll chose our own nominee thanks...

    As for power, I am not worried about anything. The pendulum of politics constantly changes. Sometimes it's more right and sometimes it's left. Liberals are not going away anymore than conservatives are. To think otherwise is to be compeltely ignorant of history. But have fun with your pathetic political thetoric if it makes you feel better.
    Well, that is true, but if I were a liberal I would be worried that Obama has done so much damage that it may take decades for that to happen....

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then I suggest that you are simply not listening. This is the primary, not the general election. As for 'slamming Obama for what he has done', I'd say that Obama is so NOT proud of his own signature accomplishments, that instead of touting his record as he campaigns, he is not even mentioning it, and instead is immediately unveiled a negative campaign, geared toward class warfare, and finger pointing.
    Yep and for the primary the candidates are supposed to be explaining HOW they are going to make things better. They haven't. So have fun voting for the "anyone but Obama" candidate. The rest of America will see through the GOP candidates.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is there any situation where today you can see yourself voting for the republican?
    Honestly yes, but there are not any socially liberal, fiscally conservatives running.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    By acting as if we should care what the liberal opinion of our choice is....We don't.
    That's just it, we don't care who you pick. With the top running clowns of Gingrich and Romney, they both will lose to Obama in the end.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you think that Obama has done a terrible job as well....Good. But, we'll chose our own nominee thanks...
    Hmmm I've never said otherwise that you shouldn't. Please point to where I said liberals should choose the GOP candidate. I can however, thanks to the first amendment, comment on the weakness of the GOP candidates. Don't like it, don't read my posts then, but I will continue to comment on them. So deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Well, that is true, but if I were a liberal I would be worried that Obama has done so much damage that it may take decades for that to happen....

    j-mac
    Not at all, the tea baggers have done an outstanding job at demonstrating why they shouldn't be in power since they are not willing at all to work with the other side. I'd be more worried if I were a tea bagger or tea bagger supporter. Plan on 4 more years of Obama and you can thank the GOP for that.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep and for the primary the candidates are supposed to be explaining HOW they are going to make things better. They haven't. So have fun voting for the "anyone but Obama" candidate. The rest of America will see through the GOP candidates.

    Romney has outlined a 59 point plan you can find here:

    Jobs | Mitt Romney for President

    And Gingrich's plan is here:

    Jobs and the Economy | Newt Gingrich 2012

    There are plenty of plans out there. Relying on the tactic of ignorance, and pretending that nothing has been offered is just plain dishonest.

    Honestly yes, but there are not any socially liberal, fiscally conservatives running.
    Isn't that what Bush said he was? So you want another Bush back?

    Anyway:

    Jon Huntsman for President

    Sure there is....Even worked for Obama.

    That's just it, we don't care who you pick. With the top running clowns of Gingrich and Romney, they both will lose to Obama in the end.
    Right....And many a prediction at this point comes out true....You'll excuse me if I think your prediction doesn't mean much....

    Wonkbook: The real unemployment rate is 11 percent - The Washington Post

    Hmmmm...Ezra Klein...Certainly not a conservative is he?

    Hmmm I've never said otherwise that you shouldn't. Please point to where I said liberals should choose the GOP candidate. I can however, thanks to the first amendment, comment on the weakness of the GOP candidates. Don't like it, don't read my posts then, but I will continue to comment on them. So deal with it.
    It may have been poor wording, but I don't think I said you in particular were telling us who to pick, but rather in my opinion, all this talk of us choosing weak candidates is meant to what? Moan, and throw out empty opinion? Ok, type away.

    Not at all, the tea baggers have done an outstanding job at demonstrating why they shouldn't be in power since they are not willing at all to work with the other side. I'd be more worried if I were a tea bagger or tea bagger supporter. Plan on 4 more years of Obama and you can thank the GOP for that.
    Why is it that you libs have to try and be as childishly offensive as possible? Ah well, I'd rather be the 'teabagger' than the 'teabaggie' choke on that ok?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Thank the GOP for putting up weak candidates. You only have your GOP to blame. They should have put up stronger candidates that could garner the support and confidence of Americans. Right now, the GOP candidates are looking like clowns and America is not fooled by it.
    Everyone of the people in the Republican field are more qualified than the one in the WH right now but in the liberal world rhetoric trumps the resume and the results. Somehow the smartest man ever to hold the office has terrible economic results and always blames someone else for his own failures. That isn't leadership.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why are you ignoring the fact that the stock market was BELOW 8,000 when Bush turned the keys over to Obama?
    Since when did the profits of those corporations matter to a liberal. The economy was turning around when Obama took office as evidenced by the recession ending in June 2009. The results today show the failures of this Administration but they are results you have no interest in seeing.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since when did the profits of those corporations matter to a liberal. The economy was turning around when Obama took office as evidenced by the recession ending in June 2009. The results today show the failures of this Administration but they are results you have no interest in seeing.
    The economy was crashing when Obama took over.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, when a republican candidate is talking to a constituency group, and saying things they want to hear that is 'pandering', but advice for Obama to cater to his base is defined as "...define himself as a dramatically more progressive candidate."??? That is some real language gymnastics there. Although I certainly wouldn't expect less out of 'The Nation' or Katrina Vandenhuvel (sp?)...You Cat, make some good arguments of Progressivism, but this particular one is so transparently wrong, surely it is beneath even your full throated defense of the destructive force to liberty, and America as we know it, known as Progressivism.

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    You are missing the larger point, that Obama is no progressive, and rather than having progressive to challenge Obama in a Primary, we have the OWS. In the absence of a progressive to challenge the centrist, Obama, I am so grateful the OWS is fulfilling that role.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The economy was crashing when Obama took over.
    What exactly did Obama do that turned the economy around by June 2009? You say the economy was crashing yet economists claim that TARP saved it. TARP had nothing to do with Obama

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