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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OMG that is funny
    Which part is "funny" to you?


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, never denied it at all, agree with it, so tell me when you add 4.5 trillion dollars to the debt, don't you think there should be better numbers and a net job gain vs. a net job loss? How about that declining labor force? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
    Well let's see, George Bush added more than $4.5 trillion to the debt and took us from an unemployment rate of about 4% to an unemployment rate of about 8%. So yeah, I'd say that's a problem.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Obama isnt a liberal. He seems to be a right wing moderate.
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    "In labor temples, lecture halls and library meeting rooms across the country in recent months, I have had hundreds of discussions with folks like Sanders: hard-working, deeply committed grassroots party activists who line up well to the left of a president they see as too quick to compromise on economics, civil liberties and wars. Some prominent progressives have stepped up, endorsing a letter in mid-September arguing that without a primary challenge, “progressive principles past and present [will] be betrayed.” The signers include Ralph Nader, Cornel West, Gore Vidal, Jonathan Kozol, Rabbi Michael Lerner, former South Dakota Senator James Abourezk and Friends of the Earth president Erich Pica. It is not just unmet expectations that lead roughly a third of Democratic voters to tell pollsters Obama should face a primary challenge; it is also a sense that the president cannot energize the Democratic base and win in 2012 unless he is forced to define himself as a dramatically more progressive candidate."

    Should Obama Face a Challenge in the Democratic Primary? | The Nation
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well let's see, George Bush added more than $4.5 trillion to the debt and took us from an unemployment rate of about 4% to an unemployment rate of about 8%. So yeah, I'd say that's a problem.

    Adam, You seem to be a fairly smart guy, so I have a couple of questions for you, and how you answer them will tell all in terms of the argument that seems to never be solved in this regard.

    1. We have seen new unemployment numbers of over 400,000 claims per month for over two full years now, with only one month periods mixed in where that number dipped below the 400k mark. And, if you take that the adjusted numbers of supposed new jobs created that have ranged between 60K and 150K per month for as you say the last 14 months, and the President says 21 months but to my knowledge never go above say, 250K jobs, which is the number experts say we need to just keep up with new entrants to the labor force. How is that a "net job gain"????

    2. George Bush, along with the congress, including the democrat controlled congress beginning in 2007, which btw is when things started going severely south in terms of economic numbers, did indeed increase the deficit over an 8 year period consistent with the claim you give of 4.5 Trillion. Obama, and congress controlled by demo's for the first two years, increased the deficit some 3 Trillion, and within 3 years we have the same 4.5 Trillion increase that you wish to hang around Bush's neck as an excuse that it is ok to do. That is less than half the time, and given that trajectory, how can you support that kind of spending?

    3. What are your thoughts on this poll from CBS recently:

    Less than one year out from Election Day 2012, voters remain overwhelmingly pessimistic about the economy, and their concerns are taking a toll on President Obama's re-election chances. Just 41 percent of Americans think Mr. Obama has performed his job well enough to be elected to a second term, whereas 54 percent don't think so.

    The president's overall approval rating remains in the mid-40's, according to a CBS News poll - lower than the approval ratings of Mr. Obama's four presidential predecessors at this point in their first terms. Mr. Obama's approval rating is dragged down by his poor marks for his handling of the economy - which, at 33 percent, is the lowest rating of his presidency in CBS News polls.

    Mr. Obama receives better marks on foreign policy and for his leadership skills. But when it comes to leading the economy in the right direction, voters are unimpressed: Just 28 percent think he has made progress on improving the economy. And most Americans say the president doesn't share the public's priorities, according to the poll, conducted December 5-7.

    Grim economic outlook weighs down Obama approval rating - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    That last part means that some 72% of this country thinks that Obama has made NO progress on improving the economy. How the hell does he get elected with these numbers?

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Indeed:

    "In labor temples, lecture halls and library meeting rooms across the country in recent months, I have had hundreds of discussions with folks like Sanders: hard-working, deeply committed grassroots party activists who line up well to the left of a president they see as too quick to compromise on economics, civil liberties and wars. Some prominent progressives have stepped up, endorsing a letter in mid-September arguing that without a primary challenge, “progressive principles past and present [will] be betrayed.” The signers include Ralph Nader, Cornel West, Gore Vidal, Jonathan Kozol, Rabbi Michael Lerner, former South Dakota Senator James Abourezk and Friends of the Earth president Erich Pica. It is not just unmet expectations that lead roughly a third of Democratic voters to tell pollsters Obama should face a primary challenge; it is also a sense that the president cannot energize the Democratic base and win in 2012 unless he is forced to define himself as a dramatically more progressive candidate."

    Should Obama Face a Challenge in the Democratic Primary? | The Nation
    So, when a republican candidate is talking to a constituency group, and saying things they want to hear that is 'pandering', but advice for Obama to cater to his base is defined as "...define himself as a dramatically more progressive candidate."??? That is some real language gymnastics there. Although I certainly wouldn't expect less out of 'The Nation' or Katrina Vandenhuvel (sp?)...You Cat, make some good arguments of Progressivism, but this particular one is so transparently wrong, surely it is beneath even your full throated defense of the destructive force to liberty, and America as we know it, known as Progressivism.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How the hell does he get elected with these numbers?

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    Quite simply, just like Bush was elected in 2004. The GOP has put up such weak candidates that the majority of people (while they may not think Obama is doing as good a job as he should) could believe that the GOP would do worse.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Quite simply, just like Bush was elected in 2004. The GOP has put up such weak candidates that the majority of people (while they may not think Obama is doing as good a job as he should) could believe that the GOP would do worse.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well let's see, George Bush added more than $4.5 trillion to the debt and took us from an unemployment rate of about 4% to an unemployment rate of about 8%. So yeah, I'd say that's a problem.
    and remember this happened after the dems took controll of the House and Senate

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Obama is such a loser that his only hope is the Republicans find an even bigger loser.....
    And the GOP is doing a fine job at finding that loser. Gingrich and Romney are the GOPs strongest that they could come up with? Really?

    The GOP is screwed and they only have themselves to blame for 4 more years of Obama.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And the GOP is doing a fine job at finding that loser. Gingrich and Romney are the GOPs strongest that they could come up with? Really?

    The GOP is screwed and they only have themselves to blame for 4 more years of Obama.


    I agree on gingrich, that will be a close race they should call it "The biggest loser"...... romney? I think he'll roll Obama like a cigarette.
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