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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    People who judge whole throngs of people based on the hyperfocused actions of a few and meager are slightly disgusting. It's the same thing as racism except without picking colors.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Care to explain this a little more - not understanding.
    Personalizing a movement based on the actions of a handful of individuals. Deflecting from the message.

    It would be like discounting the American revolution because they vandalized private property (Tea Party), some mobs tar and feathered tax men, and some people vandalized property of loyalists. All things the majority of people at the time probably thought was lawlessness but they agreed with the overall message of the revolutionaries.

    I'm not saying these people are revolutionaries but anytime you get a lot of angry people together from broad swaths of the population you're going to have some disruptions.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who is Salinsky?

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    Typo meant Saul Alinsky.
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    All things the majority of people at the time probably thought was lawlessness but they agreed with the overall message of the revolutionaries.
    Where can we look? I had heard that the colonies were kind of split in thirds, for/agin/indifferent.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    So she sought to discredit his attempt by proving it? Not very well thought out if you ask me.
    Of course not, she should of just ignored him like most people were.
    You mean the 'spitting incident' that didn't happen except in the minds of liberal progressives that serve to discredit the Tea Party?
    I'm not going to analyze the video like it's the Kennedy shooting. The Congressman recoiled from the guy and wiped his face.
    The message from OWS as far as I can tell is not honestly being put forth. If this group want's a Socialist utopia America, then they should be honest about it.
    I'm sure there are hardcore Socialists in the group. Just like hardcore Socialists supported labor when they fought for Child Labor laws. Just like Libertarians supported some of the measures of the Tea Party but the Tea Party is extremely conservative on social issues.

    Christie is not the poster boy for anyone but Christie IMHO, but don't you remember when demo's and the administration were saying that this HC reform was going to create jobs? Really?
    Sure, if you lower healthcare costs for corporations it might create jobs. The administration didn't say that. Wasn't it Pelosi or Dean?

    Not going to happen when the party in power is out to destroy anyone that makes over what they consider 'too much'....Nor is it going to happen when that same party in power refuses to compromise and tries to blame that elsewhere.
    My question...what would a Democratic "compromise" look like? For example debt. Please point out where Republicans are willing to give in any shape or form.
    Again read what I said again, and you will see that I know that this was in place long before recent times, and that further it was designed to bring this country exactly where it is today.
    So...during the time period that you grew up, the time period your family raised you was during the "Welfare state" but apparently some switch flipped as of 2008 to create this large swath of Americans that don't wanna work?
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    http://revolution.h-net.msu.edu/essays/wulf.html

    Loyalists, Fence-sitters, and Patriots [ushistory.org]

    The second link delves into the large numbers of "fence sitters". The first looks at Quakers specifically as a non-violent group that agreed with the principles of the Patriots but didn't necessarily agree with the violence.

    This is really interesting...a Loyalists pamphlete that talked about the barbarity of the Patriots.
    http://merkspages.com/APUSH/plain%20truth.htm
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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Personalizing a movement based on the actions of a handful of individuals. Deflecting from the message.
    Alinsky's points are not to personalize a movement but to seize power - the only reason to personalize a movement is not to deflect the message but to minimize it or as Alinsky says, to "polarize" it. The problem here is that OWS is using Alinsky's techniques on themselves and don't even know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It would be like discounting the American revolution because they vandalized private property (Tea Party), some mobs tar and feathered tax men, and some people vandalized property of loyalists. All things the majority of people at the time probably thought was lawlessness but they agreed with the overall message of the revolutionaries.

    I'm not saying these people are revolutionaries but anytime you get a lot of angry people together from broad swaths of the population you're going to have some disruptions.
    That's also not Alinsky - that's just typical media coverage.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then let's see whose ass Jesus ends up kicking the crap out of when he returns.
    I love it when Leftists get religion!

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now thats sweet of you to say. Except he is the American capitalist personified and admits that his class has been waging war against the rest of us for a long time and they are winning. So you can call him any name in the book and invent some of your own - but, in the end, a billionaire admits to class warfare from the top down and that utterly obliterates your denial of the same concept.
    If you're looking for an extreme right wing capitalist then you need look no further than George Soros.

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    Re: Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes there's a very large diffence.
    Then why not point out the difference?

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