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ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

conservativeguy said:
I didn't know Chapter 7 filing requires the liquidation of people. Are you saying all of the clowns that used to work for ACORN are dead? Could it be all of those clowns have simply moved to another bogus not-for-profit and are back doing the exact same thing they did at ACORN? Call it whatever name you want, its the same thugs that used to be at ACORN.
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Oh that's brilliant. Like, Ford is actually Boeing because Alan Mulally left Boeing to become CEO of Ford?
 
Dickieboy said:
Maybe from a more 'Liberal news source' it will be more 'acceptable':

Calls to Acorn’s New York City offices, for example, are now met with a recording that says: “Acorn is not providing services in New York. If you’re interested in hearing from local organizations with similar purposes, please press zero.”

The New York chapter has been replaced by a new group, called New York Communities for Change, whose Web site promotes many of Acorn’s goals and many of whose staff and community members are the same.

Acorn on Brink of Bankruptcy, Officials Say - NYTimes.com
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Right, it is a local group now -- not part of the national group ACORN, which no longer exists. Thus it is a lie to say that ACORN -- a group that no longer exists -- is behind anything.
 
danarhea said:
CBS fired Rather. FOX News, on the other hand, rewards it's liars.
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Excellent point. There are no equivalents to Glenn Beck or Hannity or any of those clowns at the major networks. MSNBC, OTOH, does have clearly partisan hosts like Maddow and Ed Schultz (and formerly Keith Olberman).
 
AdamT said:
Right, it is a local group now -- not part of the national group ACORN, which no longer exists. Thus it is a lie to say that ACORN -- a group that no longer exists -- is behind anything.
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Did you read the article in the OP? Note THE FIRST LINE:"Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change" thus the TITLE of the article IS misleading. The link I furnished was an attempt to provide a more left leaning source of the transition of ACORN to NYCC and thus the link. Are they REALLY using/shreading/storing any ACORN materials and why. Also of issue is whether NYCC is receiving federal funds as ACORN did. IF so are they REALLY paying protestors as the article states?

Yes, I know they didn't quote the source but as inquired previously and HYPOTHETICALLY of others, if YOU were working at the NYCC and participated in the interview reported would YOU allow your name to be published?

Yes, I know this ALL appears to be suppostion but consider the statement 'We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts' from the article. IF this is so AND NYCC are innocent they would have a compelling legal case and would presumably JUMP at the chance to 'bring down the enemy'.

ps. NO one has yet provided any contradictory evidence that this story is false as requested other than 'this is wrong' or 'Fox lies'.
 
If the US changed it's name, but kept it's citizens, would it stop being the US? If we then invaded Germany, and the Germans claimed that the US invaded them, would that be a lie simply because we changed our name?

A spade is a spade, no matter what you call it.
 
AdamT said:
Oh that's brilliant. Like, Ford is actually Boeing because Alan Mulally left Boeing to become CEO of Ford?
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If everyone at Boeing went to a shell company called Ford and continued to do the same thing they did at Boeing, yeah, Ford could be called Boeing.

If it looks like an ACORN, smells like an ACORN and acts like an ACORN....it's probably an ACORN.
 
danarhea said:
CBS fired Rather. FOX News, on the other hand, rewards it's liars.
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I haven't seen anything to say FOX has intentionally lied that has any credibility. Does FOX have a bias, you bet, but so does everyone else and even more important is the fact that others have been caught in an outright lie by credible sources.
 
AdamT said:
Excellent point. There are no equivalents to Glenn Beck or Hannity or any of those clowns at the major networks. MSNBC, OTOH, does have clearly partisan hosts like Maddow and Ed Schultz (and formerly Keith Olberman).
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bull****. Every single network has op ed, opinion editorial is partisan by it's very nature.
 
LaMidRighter said:
bull****. Every single network has op ed, opinion editorial is partisan by it's very nature.
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A person would have to be blind to not see the lack of objectivity and the liberal bias in the news crafted by the mainstream media. Candidly, it doesn't bother me to know the MSM is a liberal bullhorn, I simply ignore them.
 
Dickieboy said:
Did you read the article in the OP? Note THE FIRST LINE:"Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change" thus the TITLE of the article IS misleading. The link I furnished was an attempt to provide a more left leaning source of the transition of ACORN to NYCC and thus the link. Are they REALLY using/shreading/storing any ACORN materials and why. Also of issue is whether NYCC is receiving federal funds as ACORN did. IF so are they REALLY paying protestors as the article states?

Yes, I know they didn't quote the source but as inquired previously and HYPOTHETICALLY of others, if YOU were working at the NYCC and participated in the interview reported would YOU allow your name to be published?

Yes, I know this ALL appears to be suppostion but consider the statement 'We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts' from the article. IF this is so AND NYCC are innocent they would have a compelling legal case and would presumably JUMP at the chance to 'bring down the enemy'.

ps. NO one has yet provided any contradictory evidence that this story is false as requested other than 'this is wrong' or 'Fox lies'.
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I understand where you are coming from, but seriously question whether any "wrongdoing" has taken place.

It doesn't say exactly what "status" NYCC has as a non-profit. But it does say that donations are NOT tax deductable, so its NOT a 501(c)(3) and therefore isn't forbidden to engage in political activity.

For example Americans for Prosperity. They had a STRONG presence in tea party events, actually sponsoring/directly supporting them with buses, etc.

It is a 501(c)(4) organization, and is absolutely legally allowed to do this.

So, IF NYCC is NOT a 501(c)(3) organization, as evidenced by donations not being tax deductable, then its "alleged" activities are perfectly legal.

So beyond getting rid of stationery bearing the logo of the previous "parent" organization, which they may have been using internally to simply save money, there would be no reason for them to engage in "damage control".

Being unable at this time to determine what specific "type" of non profit it is, beyond it NOT being a 501(c)(3), it IS possible that their "paperwork" may not be in order.

But paying people to attend protests is not outside the scope of their charter, if as it appears they are the same type of group as AFP. There are many pictures of AFP signage at tea party events.

These kinds of groups are ALLOWED to participate in politics.
 
Did you read the article in the OP? Note THE FIRST LINE:"Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change" thus the TITLE of the article IS misleading.
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Yes, I did read the whole story. Thanks for at least admitting that the headline is midleading. Actually it's a lie, but whatever....

The link I furnished was an attempt to provide a more left leaning source of the transition of ACORN to NYCC and thus the link.
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Yes, I don't dispute that NYCC is largely the NYC branch of the former ACORN. So what? It's now a local organization.

Are they REALLY using/shreading/storing any ACORN materials and why. Also of issue is whether NYCC is receiving federal funds as ACORN did. IF so are they REALLY paying protestors as the article states?
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Yeah, those are questions, aren't they? But since the sources are all anonymous and as there was no follow up, there are no answers. We might conjecture that, IF ACORN documents were being shredded, it might be because ACORN no longer exists and they want to preserve the confidentiality of former ACORN clients. Is NYCC receiving federal funding? I don't know, but I'm sure the reporter could have found out if he wanted to. Since he didn't mention it I would assume that the answer is no. ARE they really paying protesters? NYCC denies it and no one has gone on record to contradict them. The author claims that two people were fired over this -- also denied. Why didn't he interview those alleged people? Surely they would PO'd and willing to talk, right?

Yes, I know they didn't quote the source but as inquired previously and HYPOTHETICALLY of others, if YOU were working at the NYCC and participated in the interview reported would YOU allow your name to be published?
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If I were working for them I wouldn't blabl to Fox News about the organization, knowing as I do that Fox has a hard on for any group that helps poor people get registered to vote. Again, I don't think the people who were allegedly fired would refrain from commenting. Do you?

Yes, I know this ALL appears to be suppostion but consider the statement 'We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts' from the article. IF this is so AND NYCC are innocent they would have a compelling legal case and would presumably JUMP at the chance to 'bring down the enemy'.
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So they're guilty until proven innocent? It takes big money to bring a lawsuit and community groups tend to not be rolling in dough.

ps. NO one has yet provided any contradictory evidence that this story is false as requested other than 'this is wrong' or 'Fox lies'.
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Yeah, why hasn't anyone proven a negative, yet? :lol:
 
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Why is everyone so up and fancy over ACORN?
Oh yea they were pro Obama....
 
KevinKohler said:
If the US changed it's name, but kept it's citizens, would it stop being the US?
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That's a bad analogy. If the U.S. split into 50 states and abolished the federal government, would the Republic of New York still be the Untied States of America? Obviously not.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Why is everyone so up and fancy over ACORN?
Oh yea they were pro Obama....
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The reason is very clear: they register poor people to vote and poor people tend to vote for Democrats. Same reason Fox and conservatives oppose unions so vehemently.

ACORN was a community group that did a lot of good for tens of thousands of low income people. They are needed now more than ever but they don't exist because Fox and its associates launched a largely fraudulent jihad against them. Still waiting for Fox to apologize for endlessly running those misleadingly edited videos that directly lead to ACORN's bankruptcy. I won't hold my breath.
 
AdamT said:
The reason is very clear: they register poor people to vote and poor people tend to vote for Democrats. Same reason Fox and conservatives oppose unions so vehemently.

ACORN was a community group that did a lot of good for tens of thousands of low income people. They are needed now more than ever but they don't exist because Fox and its associates launched a largely fraudulent jihad against them. Still waiting for Fox to apologize for endlessly running those misleadingly edited videos that directly lead to ACORN's bankruptcy. I won't hold my breath.
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They were an org that was involved in criminal activity, were anti-American and promoted the collapse of the United States. Hitler did alot for poor people, too.
 
apdst said:
They were an org that was involved in criminal activity, were anti-American and promoted the collapse of the United States. Hitler did alot for poor people, too.
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100% bullsh*t.
 
AdamT said:
Yes, I did read the whole story. Thanks for at least admitting that the headline is midleading. Actually it's a lie, but whatever....

Yes, I don't dispute that NYCC is largely the NYC branch of the former ACORN. So what? It's now a local organization.

Yeah, those are questions, aren't they? But since the sources are all anonymous and as there was no follow up, there are no answers. We might conjecture that, IF ACORN documents were being shredded, it might be because ACORN no longer exists and they want to preserve the confidentiality of former ACORN clients. Is NYCC receiving federal funding? I don't know, but I'm sure the reporter could have found out if he wanted to. Since he didn't mention it I would assume that the answer is no. ARE they really paying protesters? NYCC denies it and no one has gone on record to contradict them. The author claims that two people were fired over this -- also denied. Why didn't he interview those alleged people? Surely they would PO'd and willing to talk, right?

If I were working for them I wouldn't blabl to Fox News about the organization, knowing as I do that Fox has a hard on for any group that helps poor people get registered to vote. Again, I don't think the people who were allegedly fired would refrain from commenting. Do you?

So they're guilty until proven innocent? It takes big money to bring a lawsuit and community groups tend to not be rolling in dough.

Yeah, why hasn't anyone proven a negative, yet? :lol:
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OK, you win and make a compelling argument. ACORN is DEAD. NYCC is not involved at all with the protest OR paying protestors. They have not been shredding old ACORN data. Whoever the Fox reporter is that furnished this report is a LIAR and should be fired. And OH YEAH, there is insufficient interest in those who have resources AND support community groups to financially support a lawsuit against Fox that based on you compelling argument they would win outright and further a TON of money (boy would that help their efforts).

Further, you would not talk to Fox but you think someone who was allegedly fired would refrain from commenting.

But I don't understand the 'proven a negative thing yet. Can you further expound?
 
apdst said:
They were an org that was involved in criminal activity, were anti-American and promoted the collapse of the United States. Hitler did alot for poor people, too.
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Yet another in a seemingly endless series of boasts that you make about history that you ever substantiate with verifiable evidence. You really have zero credibility on any historical claims you make given your utter failure to back up your claim about southern secession.

What I will do, however, prove that all 11 Confederate states and 3 border states had state wide referendums on secession.
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In the end, you ended up giving us three actual states which held such state wide referendums. Keeping track, you promised fourteen and were able to show three. Utter failure by any measurement.

So lets see your evidence on these claims of criminal activity and trying to collapse the USA.
 
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Dickieboy said:
OK, you win and make a compelling argument. ACORN is DEAD. NYCC is not involved at all with the protest OR paying protestors. They have not been shredding old ACORN data. Whoever the Fox reporter is that furnished this report is a LIAR and should be fired. And OH YEAH, there is insufficient interest in those who have resources AND support community groups to financially support a lawsuit against Fox that based on you compelling argument they would win outright and further a TON of money (boy would that help their efforts).

Further, you would not talk to Fox but you think someone who was allegedly fired would refrain from commenting.

But I don't understand the 'proven a negative thing yet. Can you further expound?
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YOu don't understand the proving the negative thing? Maybe an example will help; prove that you aren't secretly employed by Fox News.
 
AdamT said:
You're defending the story and you didn't even know that ACORN filed Chapter 7 almost a year ago to the day? :2rofll:

Thus the story is a lie.
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In fact many ACORN affiliates just changed their names but the same people stayed on.
The fact that the story relies entirely on an unnamed source simply means that it is dubious at best.
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So the story has changed from being a lie to being "dubious". That's progress of a sort.
 
AdamT said:
YOu don't understand the proving the negative thing? Maybe an example will help; prove that you aren't secretly employed by Fox News.
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OH...I see now...the 'source' referenced in the article was employed by Fox...got it now.

Like I posted in the other thread...WTF difference does it make:Ultimately this makes no difference. So what a few of the protestors are being paid to protest. How will this make the movement more successful? If it IS true it will somewhat negate those who claim the protest to be ‘grass root’. Do you REALLY believe there is no ‘big’ money behind this movement somewhere? Even if it is, again what difference does that make?

If OWS wants to punish Wall Street do they REALLY think their discomfort will compel WS bankers to change the way they do business? Do they think their ‘camp out’ will compel someone (SEC, DOJ, BHO) to investigate and subsequently convict those who broke the law?

Stupid…just stupid.

Of course if NYCC is receiving federal funds (like ACORN was) it would change the story some but considering the current DOJ...NOTHING will come of it. Pitiful
 
Grant said:
In fact many ACORN affiliates just changed their names but the same people stayed on.


So the story has changed from being a lie to being "dubious". That's progress of a sort.
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The point is that there is no longer a national organization. ACORN no longer exists. Thus it was a lie to claim that "ACORN officials" did x, y, or z. That's not even debatable.

The fact that the whole story is unsourced casts doubt on the rest of the claims.
 
Dickieboy said:
OH...I see now...the 'source' referenced in the article was employed by Fox...got it now.

Like I posted in the other thread...WTF difference does it make:Ultimately this makes no difference. So what a few of the protestors are being paid to protest. How will this make the movement more successful? If it IS true it will somewhat negate those who claim the protest to be ‘grass root’. Do you REALLY believe there is no ‘big’ money behind this movement somewhere? Even if it is, again what difference does that make?

If OWS wants to punish Wall Street do they REALLY think their discomfort will compel WS bankers to change the way they do business? Do they think their ‘camp out’ will compel someone (SEC, DOJ, BHO) to investigate and subsequently convict those who broke the law?

Stupid…just stupid.

Of course if NYCC is receiving federal funds (like ACORN was) it would change the story some but considering the current DOJ...NOTHING will come of it. Pitiful
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No, you don't seem to get it. You can't prove a negative. That's why the burden is on the accuser. In this case NYCC has denied all of the allegations and no identifiable person has contradicted them.

Personally I don't think there was big money behind this, or in fact any real organizing principle. It grew up organically. If some organization had been behind it the protesters would be sending a clear and consistent message, which they clearly have not done.
 
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