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ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

apdst said:
Like hell it isn't!!! :lamo
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Good argument. :2rofll:

Looks like your vaunted support of free speech is actually pretty limited.
 
apdst said:
I hate it when that happens. Looks like someone should be losing their tax exemption.
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I find it interesting that only right wing sites are carrying this story.
 
apdst said:
Like hell it isn't!!! :lamo
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It isn't a political rally in the sense that they are supporting a candidate or a political campaign.
 
apdst said:
Like hell it isn't!!! :lamo
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He might actually be right apsdt, it's graduating from political rally to riot and may even enter into criminal syncicalism soon with all the NeoNazi militias, communist groups, and aging '60s radicals gravitating in and trying to shut down ports, then there's that revelation that they threw **** (literally) at cops. Yeah, it's a simple "political rally" alright(sarcasm). And to those dismissing the ACORN thing, they got busted for criminal activity, there are multiple news stories that are stating that the new groups are even using old ACORN letterhead in their correspondence regarding these "protests", so that's another nail in the ACORN is innocent argument. apsdt is right, strip 'em of their tax exempt status.
 
Here is foxnews.com's dishonest story, it's EXCLUSIVE because it's made up:


The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.

The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.

NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.

Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.

At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.

sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.

In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.

sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.

Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.
sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.

“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign," one source said.

"It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”

A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, "The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”

Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.

“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.

Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.

“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.

“They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN.”

Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures.

“I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said.

“But now they have me canvassing on Long Island for money, so I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.”

Neither Kest, NYCC executive director, nor his communications director returned repeated email and telephone requests for comment, nor did his communications director. A Fox News producer who visited the Brooklyn office on Tuesday was told, "The best people to speak to who are involved with Occupy Wall Street aren't available."

But the organization responded to this story late Wednesday, alerting a FoxNews.com reporter by Twitter message to a statement posted on its website that called the story a "smear campaign."

"Fox News is trying to discredit Occupy Wall Street. New York Communities for Change is a new organization that fights for low- and moderate-income families," the agency said in the online statement, credited to board member Linnette Ebanks. "We don't pay protesters and any monies raised by NYCC's canvass are used in support of our ongoing issue campaigns. Period."

The statement also argued that Occupy Wall Street is "an organic movement" that has the support of most Americans.

NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta subsequently declined an invitation for an on-the-record interview with Kest to discuss FoxNews.com's reporting of the story.

In a phone interview on Tuesday, Harrison Schultz, an Occupy Wall Street spokesman, said he knew nothing about NYCC’s involvement in the Occupy movement.

“Haven’t seen them, couldn’t tell you,” he said.

He said he couldn’t comment on the Occupy the Boardroom website’s relationship to the movement and to NYCC.

“It’s a horizontal organization, a leaderless organization, it’s difficult to explain it,” Schultz said, “difficult to explain it to people who haven’t worked in this, who haven’t been part of it.”

Kest publicly threw his organization’s support behind the movement in a Sept. 30 opinion piece on HuffingtonPost.com. But top ex-ACORN staff members and current NYCC officials have been planning events like the Occupy Wall Street protests since February, a source within the group told FoxNews.com.

That’s when planning began for May 12 protests against Chase bank foreclosures, which were followed by the formation of the Beyond May 12 campaign, targeting Wall Street and big banks. That campaign was rolled out by a coalition of community groups and unions and led by the revamped former ACORN group.

“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.

sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.


Read more: EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role In 'Occupy' Movement | Fox News
 
pbrauer said:
Here is foxnews.com's dishonest story, it's EXCLUSIVE because it's made up:


The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.

The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.

NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.

Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.

At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.

sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.

In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.

sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.

Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.
sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.

“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign," one source said.

"It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”

A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, "The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”

Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.

“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.

Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.

“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.

“They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN.”

Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures.

“I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said.

“But now they have me canvassing on Long Island for money, so I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.”

Neither Kest, NYCC executive director, nor his communications director returned repeated email and telephone requests for comment, nor did his communications director. A Fox News producer who visited the Brooklyn office on Tuesday was told, "The best people to speak to who are involved with Occupy Wall Street aren't available."

But the organization responded to this story late Wednesday, alerting a FoxNews.com reporter by Twitter message to a statement posted on its website that called the story a "smear campaign."

"Fox News is trying to discredit Occupy Wall Street. New York Communities for Change is a new organization that fights for low- and moderate-income families," the agency said in the online statement, credited to board member Linnette Ebanks. "We don't pay protesters and any monies raised by NYCC's canvass are used in support of our ongoing issue campaigns. Period."

The statement also argued that Occupy Wall Street is "an organic movement" that has the support of most Americans.

NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta subsequently declined an invitation for an on-the-record interview with Kest to discuss FoxNews.com's reporting of the story.

In a phone interview on Tuesday, Harrison Schultz, an Occupy Wall Street spokesman, said he knew nothing about NYCC’s involvement in the Occupy movement.

“Haven’t seen them, couldn’t tell you,” he said.

He said he couldn’t comment on the Occupy the Boardroom website’s relationship to the movement and to NYCC.

“It’s a horizontal organization, a leaderless organization, it’s difficult to explain it,” Schultz said, “difficult to explain it to people who haven’t worked in this, who haven’t been part of it.”

Kest publicly threw his organization’s support behind the movement in a Sept. 30 opinion piece on HuffingtonPost.com. But top ex-ACORN staff members and current NYCC officials have been planning events like the Occupy Wall Street protests since February, a source within the group told FoxNews.com.

That’s when planning began for May 12 protests against Chase bank foreclosures, which were followed by the formation of the Beyond May 12 campaign, targeting Wall Street and big banks. That campaign was rolled out by a coalition of community groups and unions and led by the revamped former ACORN group.

“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.

sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.


Read more: EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role In 'Occupy' Movement | Fox News
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Where are these "sources" they keep not linking us to (If that makes any sense).
 
Deuce said:
Ahh yes, the ACORN boogeyman.

Again.

Breaking news by none other than Fox News. I'm sure they're presenting you a Fair and Balanced picture of what's going on.
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Dig hole, insert head.
 
Jryan said:
You do realize that Fox News went to court to be able to legally lie on their broadcasts.
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You do realize that ALL news organizations lie. So, for example if you believe one news story that say NBC produces then you have just supported a liar. I don't think it is a good to take anything any news organizations says at face value. But to reject a story just because a certain news organization produced it is just bias and convenient for when you don't want to believe something.
 
What "role" could ACORN possibly be playing? Are they going door to door and paying people to join the movement? Fox News cracks me up with their "OMG the media is so biased and liberal" and yet every time they open their mouths the most ridiculous conservative bull**** comes out.
 
jambalaya said:
You do realize that ALL news organizations lie. So, for example if you believe one news story that say NBC produces then you have just supported a liar. I don't think it is a good to take anything any news organizations says at face value. But to reject a story just because a certain news organization produced it is just bias and convenient for when you don't want to believe something.
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So you admit that FOX News lies?
 
I don't understand why Conservatives continue to trust Fox News for anything other than trusting they to lie. They've been caught on numerous ocassions slanting or just plain outright lying about various reports. How many times do they have to lie to you before you start to doubt?
 
Jryan said:
Where are these "sources" they keep not linking us to (If that makes any sense).
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This has to be one of the worse pieces of journalism ever - which is typical from a Murdoch publication. Whenever you see the word "EXCLUSIVE" on Fox News or the NY Post story you are being taken for a ride. It's "EXCLUSIVE" because it's fiction.
 
yes. I am no Fox News worshiper.
 
Tettsuo said:
I don't understand why Conservatives continue to trust Fox News for anything other than trusting they to lie. They've been caught on numerous ocassions slanting or just plain outright lying about various reports. How many times do they have to lie to you before you start to doubt?
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I don't understand why liberals continue to dimiss EVERYTHING Fox News reports other than to deny the truth. They have been caught on numerous ocassions being fair or just plain telling the truth about various reports. How many times will they have to tell the truth before you start at least considering what they have to say.
 
I especially liked one 'source' - a woman who was hired from a homeless shelter, was sent to protest, was sent to canvass for money on Long Island, AND THEN was in the loop, knowing exactly where the money was spent - to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown...

Sure was a quick rise from the street to the board room...:lol:
 
jambalaya said:
I don't understand why liberals continue to dimiss EVERYTHING Fox News reports other than to deny the truth. They have been caught on numerous ocassions being fair or just plain telling the truth about various reports. How many times will they have to tell the truth before you start at least considering what they have to say.
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It only takes a few lies and slants to make me doubt everything else said without a corraborating report from an different source. I don't take the word of a liar and run with it. Fox has already shown great bias against ACORN and a willingness to go directly to air and print will a dishonest report against them and then reluctance to recant that false report.

How many times did they air completely nonsensical reports about Obama's place of birth not being Hawaii? I mean seriously, it's just plain stupid to trust their word on anything.
 
jambalaya said:
I don't understand why liberals continue to dimiss EVERYTHING Fox News reports other than to deny the truth. They have been caught on numerous ocassions being fair or just plain telling the truth about various reports. How many times will they have to tell the truth before you start at least considering what they have to say.
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They have also been caught on numerous occasions just plain making sh*t up and/or distorting the truth beyond all recognition. They are blatantly partisan and as such they are not a reliable source -- any more than MSNBC is a reliable source.
 
AdamT said:
They have also been caught on numerous occasions just plain making sh*t up and/or distorting the truth beyond all recognition. They are blatantly partisan and as such they are not a reliable source -- any more than MSNBC is a reliable source.
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So has Dan Rather at CBS, CNN has presented some obvious bull****, Jambalaya is right, they all do it. The Fox news hatred is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, they are a center right version of the news practice, the other organizations do the exact same thing.
 
Tettsuo said:
It only takes a few lies and slants to make me doubt everything else said without a corraborating report from an different source. I don't take the word of a liar and run with it. Fox has already shown great bias against ACORN and a willingness to go directly to air and print will a dishonest report against them and then reluctance to recant that false report.

How many times did they air completely nonsensical reports about Obama's place of birth not being Hawaii? I mean seriously, it's just plain stupid to trust their word on anything.
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I find it interesting that only right wing sites are carrying this story.
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I don't! :lamo

The lamesstream media is going to ignore this story for as long as they can. CNN and PMSNBC are supporteres of the occupiers and foaming at the mouth, waiting for a KIA, so they can blow things up.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
It isn't a political rally in the sense that they are supporting a candidate or a political campaign.
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Supporting a candidate, or campaign isn't the soul qualifications of a political rally.
 
apdst said:
Supporting a candidate, or campaign isn't the soul qualifications of a political rally.
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According to your apparent definition, any rally or protest concerning any issue IS a political rally.
 
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