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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I just don't see a comparison. I don't care if ACORN paid 20 homeless guys to go sit at Wall Street. It didn't really help anything anyway - though it is a misappropriation of funds and somewhat shady (though I am all for giving the homeless a few bucks). A further investigation may need to go into that. Herman Cain, as well, is innocent until proven guilty. It is unfortunate for him, however, that those allegations from years back are coming back to haunt him.

    Any person who says either camp is guilty is full of ****, since they have not been proven guilty of anything - that includes you. But comparing sexual assault to hiring homeless people to sit at a rally is just nonsense.
    There was a flurry of "sexual assault" cases during the 90's that often included nothing more than a meaningful look, a touch on the arm, a sly suggestion, and so on. In other words these were acts that have been going on for centuries, but which proved to be a bounty for lawyers and many of its 'victims'.

    Certainly 'sexual assault' is a serious crime and it should not be downplayed, but it seems the prosecutions have often been selective in their charges and mere allegations were proven sufficient enough for great paydays.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There was a flurry of "sexual assault" cases during the 90's that often included nothing more than a meaningful look, a touch on the arm, a sly suggestion, and so on. In other words these were acts that have been going on for centuries, but which proved to be a bounty for lawyers and many of its 'victims'.

    Certainly 'sexual assault' is a serious crime and it should not be downplayed, but it seems the prosecutions have often been selective in their charges and mere allegations were proven sufficient enough for great paydays.
    I agree. I think Cain is certainly innocent unless proven guilty and I believe the media is irresponsible in how it handles most high-publicity court cases.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    ACORN caught red-handed [...]
    Um... red handed doing what? Sending some of their own people to join the OWS protest?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    [...] people shredding documents isn't more wrong than people merely alleging something? Glad you exposed your illogic.
    Shredding your own documents is wrong?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I DO watch conservative media, Fox and radio.

    Not as much as I used to as I get a lot of news here. I noticed I hear about stuff HERE before it shows up in MSM most of the time.

    I do this because I am seriously concerned about the pervasiveness of persuasive messaging and propaganda in our national discourse.

    Also, because in order to actually have a conversation it is necessary to understand other peoples perspectives. How the hell can I debate someone if I have no idea where they're coming from?

    And see my response to j-mac about the "smear campaign".

    I have to get ready for work so my response will be short for now, but I will come back Monday and give a more detailed one to each of your points.

    This to me looks like a whole lot of excuse making. The fact is that these so called protests have become violent, and worse they are causing disease, and in some cases death. You say that these people wanted a true conversation, and when they started that may have been the case, but it wasn't about how to fix anything. It was about how to destroy capitalism in this country. The comparison to Tea Party events is outwardly laughable in the very suggestion that it is anything like it in any way. You talk of infiltrators, and provocateurs when during the Tea Party events there were absolutely cases of this from the left, and the TP policed them and booted them from the events. Grounds were left in better shape than when the events started, and the Tea Party has to my knowledge not ONE ARREST, DEATH, OR SKIRMISH WITH POLICE!

    To think that supporters would even at this point defend one aspect of OWS when on a daily basis you open the news to these headlines...

    2 deaths at Occupy protests in Calif. and Vermont *| ajc.com

    Man found dead in Pioneer Park, Occupy SLC ordered to leave both camps | ksl.com

    Tuberculosis Breaks Out At Occupy Atlanta’s Base ę CBS Atlanta

    Protesters Coming Down With the "Zuccotti Lung" | NBC New York

    Future of Occupy Burlington encampment uncertain after police clear City Hall Park to investigate manís death | Burlington Free Press | burlingtonfreepress.com

    Occupy Oakland: Man shot to death near camp

    Should I continue? Your protest is getting a message out all right.....Just not one that is American, or resonates with Americans...And your President, VP, and other prominent demo's like Pelosi are ON RECORD supporting this crap. Good luck with that because as it goes on, I hope the repubs grow a pair and hang that around Obama's neck for the election...This is what his fundamental change for America was about? Not in My Country, NOT WHILE I AM STILL BREATHING!


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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Still smearing strongly, I see. The conservative noise machine is echoing down the pecking order to the faithful.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Still smearing strongly, I see. The conservative noise machine is echoing down the pecking order to the faithful.

    What are you talking about? Can you not read the reports yourself?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post

    I haven't really heard anything new from the right in the thirty years I've been paying attention. New talking points. Same exact ideas.
    Some of those 'tired ideas' involve balancing budgets and 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.

    What exciting ideas has the left come up with that has proven positive?

    Hippy clothes were in fashion in the nineties. And will be again. Fashion is cyclical.
    No, they were not.
    And frankly, economics is WAY too much like astrology for my taste. Especially the kind that says completely free markets would solve all our problems and hold no peril whatsoever. Don't buy that for a minute. I can see the negatives of over regulation etc., but don't trust people not to abuse ANY system, and don't see any way totally free markets wouldn't result in corporate feudalism.
    If you find economics too much like astrology you should refrain from discussing anything related to the subject.

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