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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Relativists think there is no such thing as absolute truth. It allows them the moral loophole of not telling the truth... like saying that someone who once worked for ACORN still works for ACORN, even if they do not.

    Relativism is very convenient, especially when used in a generally moral society where the truth is the truth and a lie is not.
    That would be great, except it basically is still Acorn. They have the same people, same goals, even the same office space. The only thing they changed was their name. It would be as if the republican party went away and was replaced with the XYZ party, but kept the same politicians, idealogy, etc. Calling them the republican party would not be a lie. The new group is was obviously rebranded but it is still, essentially, Acorn. To dismiss an entire story based on something so unimportant, is silly.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh come on now....You want to rise above the 'spin' while spinning yourself that the political right '(paraphrased)lies more readily than the left does'....? Really?

    This pap in itself is a micro chasm of of how the recent division of the country in political terms which has been more promoted over the last 20 years by both parties as a useful method of attaining supposed mandates,ramped up by Obama, and is in full display in your narrative itself.

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    That is not what I said.

    What I said is that too many on the right here utterly refuse to entertain the possibility the THEIR OWN SIDE is lying to them. And that those on the left are only MARGINALLY better aboit doing so.

    I have seen more than enough "reports" debunked here to expect SOME on the right here to acknowledge that a smear campaign is being conducted. To cause a reasonable person to reserve judgement based upon demonstrated deliberate misinformation.

    Not seein it. The opposite is what I'm seeing
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm game....What do you think they are actually doing?

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    I'm on my way to work and don't have time to get into it right now.

    But I WILL be back.(I spend all my free time here)
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

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    I could give your argument some credibility if:

    1. Fox had even named the number of sources in the story. As written, it appears that the number of anonymous sources could number a half dozen or more. Please feel free to read the story and tell us how many sources you think it contains: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers And Shredding Documents, After Exposed As Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests | Fox News
    What difference would that have made to your opinion?

    2. Fox had not lied, blatantly, in the headline. The lies are so obvious, after reading the story, that they insult my intelligence. Apparently others are more tolerant... or something.
    If the headlines are the only thing you read then it's probably not the first time you've had your intelligence insulted.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

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    What difference would that have made to your opinion?



    If the headlines are the only thing you read then it's probably not the first time you've had your intelligence insulted.
    If they can't even be honest in the headline, it certainly calls into question the integrity of the reporting.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    If they can't even be honest in the headline, it certainly calls into question the integrity of the reporting.
    The person who submits the report is not the person who creates the headline. They are two different jobs. The headline is part of Layout and the people responsible for the 'look' of the paper.

    If you don't like the headline, search out the person who does the layout and criticize their work. But i have a hunch that isn't what this is all about.

    By the way, are you using my quote in an ironic sense? Do you feel you are well educated?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That is not what I said.

    What I said is that too many on the right here utterly refuse to entertain the possibility the THEIR OWN SIDE is lying to them. And that those on the left are only MARGINALLY better aboit doing so.

    I have seen more than enough "reports" debunked here to expect SOME on the right here to acknowledge that a smear campaign is being conducted. To cause a reasonable person to reserve judgement based upon demonstrated deliberate misinformation.

    Not seein it. The opposite is what I'm seeing
    Ok, well your threshold for what is 'debunked' and what isn't, may be far different than mine, or anyone else.

    I'm on my way to work and don't have time to get into it right now.

    But I WILL be back.(I spend all my free time here)
    Ok, I look forward to it...Have a good day at work.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post

    The person who submits the report is not the person who creates the headline. They are two different jobs. The headline is part of Layout and the people responsible for the 'look' of the paper.

    If you don't like the headline, search out the person who does the layout and criticize their work. But i have a hunch that isn't what this is all about.

    By the way, are you using my quote in an ironic sense? Do you feel you are well educated?
    Yes, it is two different people writing the story and the headline, but they work for the same organization and they have the same editor. It says something about their standards.

    Re: the sig -- yes, I just thought the flub up was ironic given the context. I'll get rid of those quotes when I get a chance.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post

    Yes, it is two different people writing the story and the headline, but they work for the same organization and they have the same editor. It says something about their standards.
    No, the appearance and the content are two different departments. And if you are looking for shoddy work in the media there are plenty of examples much more egregious than the rather minor one mentioned here. It is much ado.

    I'm not at all complaining about my quote. Leave it up if you choose to.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
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    If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumped. [...]
    Source please.
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