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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by buck, replying to Karl View Post
    I think they could have clarified by just adding the word "Former" in front of the headline. But, they did it as they did to get eyes. [...]
    They did it get the haters. We all know that the talk media right loves to hate ACORN.

    But setting that aside, the lies continued in the headline with the (false) insinuation that ACORN is the driving force behind OWS. Hate and lies, sorry, just too much to stomach.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    [...] I don't even see it as a lie, since it really is Acorn working under a different name. [...]
    Relativists think there is no such thing as absolute truth. It allows them the moral loophole of not telling the truth... like saying that someone who once worked for ACORN still works for ACORN, even if they do not.

    Relativism is very convenient, especially when used in a generally moral society where the truth is the truth and a lie is not.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So if you hear a news programs which begins "White House sources have revealed..." you'll immediately dismiss it as not credible?
    I will immediately consider to be much less credible than it would have been if the source was on the record. The credibility of the person or organization reporting also comes into play.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumped.
    Source please.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, but does that make the counterpoint true also...you simply don't believe anything you read??? especially if it is from Fox news?
    I actually don't take ANYTHING I hear from the media at face value.

    Damn near everything gets the "spin" treatment.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I actually don't take ANYTHING I hear from the media at face value.
    Damn near everything gets the "spin" treatment.
    Agree...again 'selling soap'.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    If they had stated ‘Ex-ACORN officials involved’ would it be ‘more correct’ not specifically but semantically? As I have stated previously their MAIN interest is ‘selling soap’. Do you think this article would have garnered any attention if it read ‘NYCC officials…’? I mean who would know who NYCC is?



    Since the ‘right leaning’ news sources are much more limited in the ‘news/opinion’ market I believe it would be difficult to find another source to validate it’s reporting. Why would a ‘left leaning’ produce report that would validate those whose agenda are opposite than yours, Right vs. Left. Isn’t this same scenario played out daily on this forum?
    Yes it is.

    But I spend a lot of time here trying to sort wheat from chaff so thet maybe a consgructive dialogue can be entered into.

    "Divide and conquer " is being applied to this country.

    OWS (as far as I can tell) has had as a major component an attempt to foster dialogue OUTSIDE the msm spin machinery about the serious issues facing this country.

    You know what we've done here?

    Fought about negative reports, almost all of which originate in the conservative mediasphere.

    EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE THING that has been reported to have happened has been posted here at least once.

    Every single one has been accepted as fact by those on the right here. Even when clearly debunked.

    I would really like BOTH sides to STOP LYING.

    When someone points out the left lying I acknowledge it if it appears they actually were. I KNOW they do lie and misrepresent. I DO NOT approve nor condone.

    I RARELY see the same honesty from those on the right. Or most on the left, to be honest.

    But it is FAR more likely for someone on the left to acknowledge and accept that they are being lied to by THEIR OWN side.

    VERY rare to see it on the right.

    Its a partisan world we live in. I don't dig up lies on the left, and I don't expect the right to do so either. But I personally do not pretend my side would never blow smoke up my ass. In fact I'm certain they do so.

    I'm really disappointed with a bunch of people I have come to respect here.

    I honestly expected better.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Agree...again 'selling soap'.
    A bit more "selling beliefs with the same tools used to sell soap", but yeah.

    There has been almost NO discussion of what OWS is actually doing here on this board. Not the problems they are concerned about nor the solutions they are coming up with.

    What we get is what the conservative media SAYS they are about. The same blanket dismissals of any criticism of the current way we're going about things in tgis country. Marxist conspiracy theory. Hygeine concerns. Drumming.

    Every negative accepted as gospel. Every amelioration of any of those negatives, even when factually proven, dismissed as dishonest denial.

    Simply put its bull**** and it sucks.

    Especially consideri g how many times I've defended the tea party from the same bull****.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yes it is.

    But I spend a lot of time here trying to sort wheat from chaff so thet maybe a consgructive dialogue can be entered into.

    "Divide and conquer " is being applied to this country.

    OWS (as far as I can tell) has had as a major component an attempt to foster dialogue OUTSIDE the msm spin machinery about the serious issues facing this country.

    You know what we've done here?

    Fought about negative reports, almost all of which originate in the conservative mediasphere.

    EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE THING that has been reported to have happened has been posted here at least once.

    Every single one has been accepted as fact by those on the right here. Even when clearly debunked.

    I would really like BOTH sides to STOP LYING.

    When someone points out the left lying I acknowledge it if it appears they actually were. I KNOW they do lie and misrepresent. I DO NOT approve nor condone.

    I RARELY see the same honesty from those on the right. Or most on the left, to be honest.

    But it is FAR more likely for someone on the left to acknowledge and accept that they are being lied to by THEIR OWN side.

    VERY rare to see it on the right.

    Its a partisan world we live in. I don't dig up lies on the left, and I don't expect the right to do so either. But I personally do not pretend my side would never blow smoke up my ass. In fact I'm certain they do so.

    I'm really disappointed with a bunch of people I have come to respect here.

    I honestly expected better.
    Oh come on now....You want to rise above the 'spin' while spinning yourself that the political right '(paraphrased)lies more readily than the left does'....? Really?

    This pap in itself is a micro chasm of of how the recent division of the country in political terms which has been more promoted over the last 20 years by both parties as a useful method of attaining supposed mandates,ramped up by Obama, and is in full display in your narrative itself.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    There has been almost NO discussion of what OWS is actually doing here on this board.

    I'm game....What do you think they are actually doing?

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