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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Since all the sources in the Fox article were anonymous, it essentially had no source. Therefore it is not a matter of finding another source in this particular case, but of finding an original one -- other than Fox itself, who severely damaged its own credibility by stating not one, but two lies in its headline.
    The person is a "whistle blower" and as such wants to keep anonymous. This is not the first time whistle blowers have talked to the media and asked for anonymity nor, I hope, will it be the last.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's quite true, and I never give them much credence if the article is 100% based on unnamed sources. Fox less so, given their long history of questionable reporting -- particularly with respect to ACORN.
    So if you hear a news programs which begins "White House sources have revealed..." you'll immediately dismiss it as not credible?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Since all the sources in the Fox article were anonymous, it essentially had no source. Therefore it is not a matter of finding another source in this particular case, but of finding an original one -- other than Fox itself, who severely damaged its own credibility by stating not one, but two lies in its headline.
    If you are one of those people who only read what the headlines say then your opinion is hardly worthwhile. It's wise to read the first couple of paragraphs, at least. Had you done that your concerns would have been cleared away.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The person is a "whistle blower" and as such wants to keep anonymous. This is not the first time whistle blowers have talked to the media and asked for anonymity nor, I hope, will it be the last.
    Or maybe the person was a figment of the writer's imagination, or a disgruntled employee, or the reanimated corpose of Ethel Merman. No way to judge the credibility, let alone the identity, of an anonymous source.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by buck, replying to another View Post
    Other then your feelings, can you point to a reputable study indicating that Fox News investigations relying on unnamed sources are more likely to be untrue then investigations carried out by other organizations that use unnamed sources?
    The Fox News headline contains two lies. No one is disputing that. If you want to believe a story, based on a what seems to be several different anonymous sources, that starts out with not one, but two lies in the headline, be my guest. I imagine you'll have a lot of company.

    In the meantime, critical thinkers can make up their own mind, which is the purpose of public debate.

    ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers And Shredding Documents, After Exposed As Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests | Fox News

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by buck, replying to Karl View Post
    An "unnamed source" is not even close to "no source". The source is just not willing to come forward due to fear of reprisal or somethin similar. [...]
    An unnamed source can just as easily be fictitious. If you want to play hypothetical, as a reporter it would be pretty much impossible to make up a lie about some one or some thing without an anonymous source.

    Speaking rationally, versus hypothetically, as I posted above given the credibility of the Fox headline (zero) the remainder of the story rates an equal rating.

    While I have no doubt that NYCC may have sent some people down to 'join' the OWS protest, Fox most likely turned it into a huge, steaming pile of propaganda (as they are wont to do).

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Fox News headline contains two lies. No one is disputing that. If you want to believe a story, based on a what seems to be several different anonymous sources, that starts out with not one, but two lies in the headline, be my guest. I imagine you'll have a lot of company.
    I think they could have clarified by just adding the word "Former" in front of the headline. But, they did it as they did to get eyes. If they indicated NRCC (or whatever) no one would have cared or clicked on the link. However, the very first line in the article clarifies. I don't even see it as a lie, since it really is Acorn working under a different name. Having said that, though, I guess if you want to be a real stickler, I can see your side. I wouldn't have thought twice about it if the situation were reversed, and MSNBC did something similar in their headline, though.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant, replying to Karl View Post
    The person is a "whistle blower" and as such wants to keep anonymous. [...]
    I could give your argument some credibility if:

    1. Fox had even named the number of sources in the story. As written, it appears that the number of anonymous sources could number a half dozen or more. Please feel free to read the story and tell us how many sources you think it contains: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers And Shredding Documents, After Exposed As Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests | Fox News

    2. Fox had not lied, blatantly, in the headline. The lies are so obvious, after reading the story, that they insult my intelligence. Apparently others are more tolerant... or something.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you are one of those people who only read what the headlines say then your opinion is hardly worthwhile. It's wise to read the first couple of paragraphs, at least. Had you done that your concerns would have been cleared away.
    If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumped.

    However, that the first words someone tells you are lies does not cause you to question the veracity of their subsequent words is noted.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant, replying to another View Post
    So if you hear a news programs which begins "White House sources have revealed..." you'll immediately dismiss it as not credible?
    If their lead-in begins: "Regarding Kenyan-born President Barack Obama...", then yes, absolutely.

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