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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's right, cases are not brought to court on hearsay alone. But Fox News DOES publish stories based on hearsay alone. [...]
    Anonymous hearsay, at that.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The mere fact of publication does not make them credible, unless you simply believe everything you read.
    No, but does that make the counterpoint true also...you simply don't believe anything you read??? especially if it is from Fox news?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you don't have any valuable to add, except to attack FNC? And you support your statements with a Media Matters article, of all things.
    IOW, you don't have any defense of your OP, except to attack Media Matters, of all things?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst, in the OP View Post
    I hate it when that happens. Looks like someone should be losing their tax exemption.
    Why?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Much ado about nothing.
    Yes and No, The story at the OP was created by "foxnews.com" not by the Fox News Channel. I don't watch the FNC, but I seriously doubt this story made any of their news programs because the content cannot be verified. This is a web-only story to stoke the conservative blogs out here about the much hated ACORN. It's bogus!!


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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, but does that make the counterpoint true also...you simply don't believe anything you read??? especially if it is from Fox news?
    Fox News has a long history of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies -- especially when it comes to ACORN. The story in question is a prime example, for the headline itself is a lie -- there are no "ACORN officials" involved. 'Former ACORN officials', perhaps, but that is too intellectually honest for Fox to formulate.

    Now this does not make Fox News automatically incorrect as a blanket position, as each issue must be examined on its own merits, but when Fox News presents no source other than itself, or some other proven liar (such as the Breitbart bunch), then the prudent thinker would demand independent verification of their claims before assigning veracity to their story.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes and No, The story at the OP was created by "foxnews.com" not by the Fox News Channel. I don't watch the FNC, but I seriously doubt this story made any of their news programs because the content cannot be verified. This is a web-only story to stoke the conservative blogs out here about the much hated ACORN. It's bogus!!
    It did, but not on their 'news programs' (of which I think there is only 1/day). ALL the 'news opinion programs' ran the story which is typical.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    [...] I don't watch the FNC [...]
    I do, from time to time. It usually only takes about 5 minutes to catch them in a lie, a serious misrepresentation, or a gross abrogation of journalistic integrity.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Fox News has a long history of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies -- especially when it comes to ACORN. The story in question is a prime example, for the headline itself is a lie -- there are no "ACORN officials" involved. 'Former ACORN officials', perhaps, but that is too intellectually honest for Fox to formulate.
    If they had stated ‘Ex-ACORN officials involved’ would it be ‘more correct’ not specifically but semantically? As I have stated previously their MAIN interest is ‘selling soap’. Do you think this article would have garnered any attention if it read ‘NYCC officials…’? I mean who would know who NYCC is?

    Now this does not make Fox News automatically incorrect as a blanket position, as each issue must be examined on its own merits, but when Fox News presents no source other than itself, or some other proven liar (such as the Breitbart bunch), then the prudent thinker would demand independent verification of their claims before assigning veracity to their story.
    Since the ‘right leaning’ news sources are much more limited in the ‘news/opinion’ market I believe it would be difficult to find another source to validate it’s reporting. Why would a ‘left leaning’ produce report that would validate those whose agenda are opposite than yours, Right vs. Left. Isn’t this same scenario played out daily on this forum?

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Here's a question regarding that...


    GOOD distinction, by the way...paying people to protest, vs paying people to represent you AT a protest...

    But regardless, with they way the OWS sells themself, I would think that this NYCC would almost need to get the permision of the leaders/town hall sorta thing of OWS to attend, since, for god's sake, they have to PAY people to attend for them.

    Anytime you pay someone for something like this, the first thought in my head is mercenary.
    I actually agree with you on this.

    If they're paying people to clearly advocate for their group I don't really have a.problem with that.

    But if they're paying people to simply swell ranks, pretending to be something they are not, that's NOT cool.

    And I DO NOT make any claim that the Dems wouldn't indulge in astroturf. I'm quite certain they would.

    But the Dems funding a group that wants to strip their corporate sponsorships just doesn't wash.

    Politicians glommed onto the tea party with a quickness. Lots of campaign investors support lowering taxes, reducing regulations and stripping government down to property protection and contract enforcement.

    It seems counterintuitive to invest in a group that wants you to stop investing in political campaigns and implement policies that are going to limit your ability to harvest megaprofits regardless of the state of the overall economy.

    So its unclear who would be astroturfing here. Its NOT going well from a politics perspective. I don't think any politicians have "aligned" themselves with OWS. Careful CYA to avoid alienating potential voters, vague general support, but that's about it.

    HOWEVER. Its a Citizens United election. There's a **** ton of anonymous money to throw around on BOTH sides, so I'm not putting ANYTHING past ANYBODY just off-hand.

    It just doesn't look to me like OWS is astroturf, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

    But I'm frankly dismayed at the loss of control of the "fringe" elements that I can see with my own eyes.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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