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    Did you read the article in the OP? Note THE FIRST LINE:"Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change" thus the TITLE of the article IS misleading.
    Yes, I did read the whole story. Thanks for at least admitting that the headline is midleading. Actually it's a lie, but whatever....

    The link I furnished was an attempt to provide a more left leaning source of the transition of ACORN to NYCC and thus the link.
    Yes, I don't dispute that NYCC is largely the NYC branch of the former ACORN. So what? It's now a local organization.

    Are they REALLY using/shreading/storing any ACORN materials and why. Also of issue is whether NYCC is receiving federal funds as ACORN did. IF so are they REALLY paying protestors as the article states?
    Yeah, those are questions, aren't they? But since the sources are all anonymous and as there was no follow up, there are no answers. We might conjecture that, IF ACORN documents were being shredded, it might be because ACORN no longer exists and they want to preserve the confidentiality of former ACORN clients. Is NYCC receiving federal funding? I don't know, but I'm sure the reporter could have found out if he wanted to. Since he didn't mention it I would assume that the answer is no. ARE they really paying protesters? NYCC denies it and no one has gone on record to contradict them. The author claims that two people were fired over this -- also denied. Why didn't he interview those alleged people? Surely they would PO'd and willing to talk, right?

    Yes, I know they didn't quote the source but as inquired previously and HYPOTHETICALLY of others, if YOU were working at the NYCC and participated in the interview reported would YOU allow your name to be published?
    If I were working for them I wouldn't blabl to Fox News about the organization, knowing as I do that Fox has a hard on for any group that helps poor people get registered to vote. Again, I don't think the people who were allegedly fired would refrain from commenting. Do you?

    Yes, I know this ALL appears to be suppostion but consider the statement 'We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts' from the article. IF this is so AND NYCC are innocent they would have a compelling legal case and would presumably JUMP at the chance to 'bring down the enemy'.
    So they're guilty until proven innocent? It takes big money to bring a lawsuit and community groups tend to not be rolling in dough.

    ps. NO one has yet provided any contradictory evidence that this story is false as requested other than 'this is wrong' or 'Fox lies'.
    Yeah, why hasn't anyone proven a negative, yet?
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Why is everyone so up and fancy over ACORN?
    Oh yea they were pro Obama....


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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If the US changed it's name, but kept it's citizens, would it stop being the US?
    That's a bad analogy. If the U.S. split into 50 states and abolished the federal government, would the Republic of New York still be the Untied States of America? Obviously not.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why is everyone so up and fancy over ACORN?
    Oh yea they were pro Obama....
    The reason is very clear: they register poor people to vote and poor people tend to vote for Democrats. Same reason Fox and conservatives oppose unions so vehemently.

    ACORN was a community group that did a lot of good for tens of thousands of low income people. They are needed now more than ever but they don't exist because Fox and its associates launched a largely fraudulent jihad against them. Still waiting for Fox to apologize for endlessly running those misleadingly edited videos that directly lead to ACORN's bankruptcy. I won't hold my breath.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The reason is very clear: they register poor people to vote and poor people tend to vote for Democrats. Same reason Fox and conservatives oppose unions so vehemently.

    ACORN was a community group that did a lot of good for tens of thousands of low income people. They are needed now more than ever but they don't exist because Fox and its associates launched a largely fraudulent jihad against them. Still waiting for Fox to apologize for endlessly running those misleadingly edited videos that directly lead to ACORN's bankruptcy. I won't hold my breath.
    They were an org that was involved in criminal activity, were anti-American and promoted the collapse of the United States. Hitler did alot for poor people, too.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They were an org that was involved in criminal activity, were anti-American and promoted the collapse of the United States. Hitler did alot for poor people, too.
    100% bullsh*t.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    100% bullsh*t.
    Prove it!...
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove it!...
    I believe that would be your burden, as you made the claims.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I did read the whole story. Thanks for at least admitting that the headline is midleading. Actually it's a lie, but whatever....

    Yes, I don't dispute that NYCC is largely the NYC branch of the former ACORN. So what? It's now a local organization.

    Yeah, those are questions, aren't they? But since the sources are all anonymous and as there was no follow up, there are no answers. We might conjecture that, IF ACORN documents were being shredded, it might be because ACORN no longer exists and they want to preserve the confidentiality of former ACORN clients. Is NYCC receiving federal funding? I don't know, but I'm sure the reporter could have found out if he wanted to. Since he didn't mention it I would assume that the answer is no. ARE they really paying protesters? NYCC denies it and no one has gone on record to contradict them. The author claims that two people were fired over this -- also denied. Why didn't he interview those alleged people? Surely they would PO'd and willing to talk, right?

    If I were working for them I wouldn't blabl to Fox News about the organization, knowing as I do that Fox has a hard on for any group that helps poor people get registered to vote. Again, I don't think the people who were allegedly fired would refrain from commenting. Do you?

    So they're guilty until proven innocent? It takes big money to bring a lawsuit and community groups tend to not be rolling in dough.

    Yeah, why hasn't anyone proven a negative, yet?
    OK, you win and make a compelling argument. ACORN is DEAD. NYCC is not involved at all with the protest OR paying protestors. They have not been shredding old ACORN data. Whoever the Fox reporter is that furnished this report is a LIAR and should be fired. And OH YEAH, there is insufficient interest in those who have resources AND support community groups to financially support a lawsuit against Fox that based on you compelling argument they would win outright and further a TON of money (boy would that help their efforts).

    Further, you would not talk to Fox but you think someone who was allegedly fired would refrain from commenting.

    But I don't understand the 'proven a negative thing yet. Can you further expound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They were an org that was involved in criminal activity, were anti-American and promoted the collapse of the United States. Hitler did alot for poor people, too.
    Yet another in a seemingly endless series of boasts that you make about history that you ever substantiate with verifiable evidence. You really have zero credibility on any historical claims you make given your utter failure to back up your claim about southern secession.

    What I will do, however, prove that all 11 Confederate states and 3 border states had state wide referendums on secession.
    In the end, you ended up giving us three actual states which held such state wide referendums. Keeping track, you promised fourteen and were able to show three. Utter failure by any measurement.

    So lets see your evidence on these claims of criminal activity and trying to collapse the USA.
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