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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I didn't know Chapter 7 filing requires the liquidation of people. Are you saying all of the clowns that used to work for ACORN are dead? Could it be all of those clowns have simply moved to another bogus not-for-profit and are back doing the exact same thing they did at ACORN? Call it whatever name you want, its the same thugs that used to be at ACORN.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Maybe from a more 'Liberal news source' it will be more 'acceptable':

    Calls to Acorn’s New York City offices, for example, are now met with a recording that says: “Acorn is not providing services in New York. If you’re interested in hearing from local organizations with similar purposes, please press zero.”

    The New York chapter has been replaced by a new group, called New York Communities for Change, whose Web site promotes many of Acorn’s goals and many of whose staff and community members are the same.


    Acorn on Brink of Bankruptcy, Officials Say - NYTimes.com
    Right, it is a local group now -- not part of the national group ACORN, which no longer exists. Thus it is a lie to say that ACORN -- a group that no longer exists -- is behind anything.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    CBS fired Rather. FOX News, on the other hand, rewards it's liars.
    Excellent point. There are no equivalents to Glenn Beck or Hannity or any of those clowns at the major networks. MSNBC, OTOH, does have clearly partisan hosts like Maddow and Ed Schultz (and formerly Keith Olberman).
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, it is a local group now -- not part of the national group ACORN, which no longer exists. Thus it is a lie to say that ACORN -- a group that no longer exists -- is behind anything.
    Did you read the article in the OP? Note THE FIRST LINE:"Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change" thus the TITLE of the article IS misleading. The link I furnished was an attempt to provide a more left leaning source of the transition of ACORN to NYCC and thus the link. Are they REALLY using/shreading/storing any ACORN materials and why. Also of issue is whether NYCC is receiving federal funds as ACORN did. IF so are they REALLY paying protestors as the article states?

    Yes, I know they didn't quote the source but as inquired previously and HYPOTHETICALLY of others, if YOU were working at the NYCC and participated in the interview reported would YOU allow your name to be published?

    Yes, I know this ALL appears to be suppostion but consider the statement 'We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts' from the article. IF this is so AND NYCC are innocent they would have a compelling legal case and would presumably JUMP at the chance to 'bring down the enemy'.

    ps. NO one has yet provided any contradictory evidence that this story is false as requested other than 'this is wrong' or 'Fox lies'.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    If the US changed it's name, but kept it's citizens, would it stop being the US? If we then invaded Germany, and the Germans claimed that the US invaded them, would that be a lie simply because we changed our name?

    A spade is a spade, no matter what you call it.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh that's brilliant. Like, Ford is actually Boeing because Alan Mulally left Boeing to become CEO of Ford?
    If everyone at Boeing went to a shell company called Ford and continued to do the same thing they did at Boeing, yeah, Ford could be called Boeing.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    CBS fired Rather. FOX News, on the other hand, rewards it's liars.
    I haven't seen anything to say FOX has intentionally lied that has any credibility. Does FOX have a bias, you bet, but so does everyone else and even more important is the fact that others have been caught in an outright lie by credible sources.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Excellent point. There are no equivalents to Glenn Beck or Hannity or any of those clowns at the major networks. MSNBC, OTOH, does have clearly partisan hosts like Maddow and Ed Schultz (and formerly Keith Olberman).
    bull****. Every single network has op ed, opinion editorial is partisan by it's very nature.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    bull****. Every single network has op ed, opinion editorial is partisan by it's very nature.
    A person would have to be blind to not see the lack of objectivity and the liberal bias in the news crafted by the mainstream media. Candidly, it doesn't bother me to know the MSM is a liberal bullhorn, I simply ignore them.
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    Re: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Did you read the article in the OP? Note THE FIRST LINE:"Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change" thus the TITLE of the article IS misleading. The link I furnished was an attempt to provide a more left leaning source of the transition of ACORN to NYCC and thus the link. Are they REALLY using/shreading/storing any ACORN materials and why. Also of issue is whether NYCC is receiving federal funds as ACORN did. IF so are they REALLY paying protestors as the article states?

    Yes, I know they didn't quote the source but as inquired previously and HYPOTHETICALLY of others, if YOU were working at the NYCC and participated in the interview reported would YOU allow your name to be published?

    Yes, I know this ALL appears to be suppostion but consider the statement 'We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts' from the article. IF this is so AND NYCC are innocent they would have a compelling legal case and would presumably JUMP at the chance to 'bring down the enemy'.

    ps. NO one has yet provided any contradictory evidence that this story is false as requested other than 'this is wrong' or 'Fox lies'.
    I understand where you are coming from, but seriously question whether any "wrongdoing" has taken place.

    It doesn't say exactly what "status" NYCC has as a non-profit. But it does say that donations are NOT tax deductable, so its NOT a 501(c)(3) and therefore isn't forbidden to engage in political activity.

    For example Americans for Prosperity. They had a STRONG presence in tea party events, actually sponsoring/directly supporting them with buses, etc.

    It is a 501(c)(4) organization, and is absolutely legally allowed to do this.

    So, IF NYCC is NOT a 501(c)(3) organization, as evidenced by donations not being tax deductable, then its "alleged" activities are perfectly legal.

    So beyond getting rid of stationery bearing the logo of the previous "parent" organization, which they may have been using internally to simply save money, there would be no reason for them to engage in "damage control".

    Being unable at this time to determine what specific "type" of non profit it is, beyond it NOT being a 501(c)(3), it IS possible that their "paperwork" may not be in order.

    But paying people to attend protests is not outside the scope of their charter, if as it appears they are the same type of group as AFP. There are many pictures of AFP signage at tea party events.

    These kinds of groups are ALLOWED to participate in politics.
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