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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Permit laws come from local governments that are elected by the people to establish rules for their community. If a person doesn't like said laws they can work with the politicians to change them or they can leave the community. Permuting laws can also be ruled unConstitutional if they are overbearing and truly limit the ability of people to assemble.
    Of course they can. But considering what a right is, some innate and inalienable ability off limits to government, it seems hard to justify then asking government's permission (which is what a permit is) to exercise it.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Now you are the one strawman'n. Peacable assemblers disbanded from public because grass is too green, freshly sodded grass. City deems peacable assemblers cant stay over night, must be that scary moon. And now (you) say they cant peacably assemble if too many want too. (your definition is "the mob")
    Where did I express my opinion on specific permit regulations, conditions or locations? Did I say people can't assemble on grass, nighttime or scary moon phases (I need some help on when these occur).
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I have a right to pee, but if I am in someone else's house, I for damn sure ask permission, first.

    Make no mistake, when you are on public property, you are in "someone else's house". Sure, it's partly YOUR house too, but only a small fraction, and it's still up to the caretaker, the government, to decide what is best for that property. That's what you, and all the other tax payers PAY them to do.
    Public property is public. I may help pay to maintain it, but I'll also won't come down of folk for practicing their rights upon it. I have a similar view of religious displays on public land. If you want to, you should be free to do so. So long as the courts or legislature are not acting be edicts of gods, but rather edicts of man it doesn't matter.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Where did I express my opinion on specific permit regulations, conditions or locations? Did I say people can't assemble on grass, nighttime or scary moon phases (I need some help on when these occur).
    Common... I know you can understand things without someone having to spell every little iota out.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Now you are the one strawman'n. Peacable assemblers disbanded from public because grass is too green, freshly sodded grass. City deems peacable assemblers cant stay over night, must be that scary moon. And now (you) say they cant peacably assemble if too many want too. (your definition is "the mob")
    You are an example of lying by omission.

    They were not "disbanded" they were asked to move to the OTHER section of the park. They were not denied the ability to assemble, they just couldn't assemble THERE.
    You are talking about Boston.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course they can. But considering what a right is, some innate and inalienable ability off limits to government, it seems hard to justify then asking government's permission (which is what a permit is) to exercise it.
    We live in a densely populated society that requires us to often ask permission to do many things. Now if you want to live in a rural community I imagine you could have thousands of people assemble on your farm and chant songs and bang drums forever.......assuming your neighbor lives far enough away so that they can avoid the noise.

    I look at permits differently. Permitting rules and regs are a matter of law. All they do is establish the ground rules. If you are willing to follow those rules, you should get a permit. You aren't asking for permission, you are acknowledging you will comply with the law.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    We live in a densely populated society that requires us to often ask permission to do many things. Now if you want to live in a rural community I imagine you could have thousands of people assemble on your farm and chant songs and bang drums forever.......assuming your neighbor lives far enough away so that they can avoid the noise.

    I look at permits differently. Permitting rules and regs are a matter of law. All they do is establish the ground rules. If you are willing to follow those rules, you should get a permit. You aren't asking for permission, you are acknowledging you will comply with the law.
    But those rules are based on government force and you have not outlined any way in which you restrict that force to proper means. If there are no restrictions on the restrictions, I cannot endorse it. I don't find it unreasonable to consider the aggregate effects upon the system; but I cannot abide by defining everything through government might. The government was meant to be restricted, not the People.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You are an example of lying by omission.

    They were not "disbanded" they were asked to move to the OTHER section of the park. They were not denied the ability to assemble, they just couldn't assemble THERE.
    You are talking about Boston.
    Oh so now we are seperating all instances of current event injustice by loction? Didnt realize it was taboo to bring other very similar topics into the same envelope.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Public property is public. I may help pay to maintain it, but I'll also won't come down of folk for practicing their rights upon it. I have a similar view of religious displays on public land. If you want to, you should be free to do so. So long as the courts or legislature are not acting be edicts of gods, but rather edicts of man it doesn't matter.

    My goals have always remained the same, maximization of freedom.
    You aren't maximizing freedom if people who previously took their dogs to walk at a park now can't because some squatters are sitting on it.

    The people (of the city) have the decision to evict those protesters off of their public parks. The city officials are representatives of the people.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Common... I know you can understand things without someone having to spell every little iota out.

    Trust me when I say this....I have no idea where you are coming from based on what I wrote.
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