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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

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    Why should they get to do it, when I have to obtain a permit and jump through hoops?


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    It depends on what sort of threat you could potentially be. Sure you want everyone to follow the laws as much as possible, but you also have to think about consequence before you act. Oakland isn't exactly known for it's reason and logic; that place will blow up at a touch of a hat. Well I suppose maybe one could argue that we should force it to...a controlled burn sort of thing. But that's a bit depressing considering that we're talking about human lives here. Cops and protesters a like. I think that the best thing would be to try to minimize, preferably eliminate, any possible causalities.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

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    And I guess you are ok with mobs taking over and attacking police, and destroying commerce.

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    While I would love to discuss the destruction of commerce, the loss of jobs, and mobs, this is not place for a Wal Mart discussion
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It depends on what sort of threat you could potentially be. Sure you want everyone to follow the laws as much as possible, but you also have to think about consequence before you act. Oakland isn't exactly known for it's reason and logic; that place will blow up at a touch of a hat. Well I suppose maybe one could argue that we should force it to...a controlled burn sort of thing. But that's a bit depressing considering that we're talking about human lives here. Cops and protesters a like. I think that the best thing would be to try to minimize, preferably eliminate, any possible causalities.
    Still doesn't answer why you think it acceptable for one group exercising free speech the proper way, and legally, and seem to give more credence to the group breaking the law and calling for violence in this side by side...Why is that?

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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

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    Still doesn't answer why you think it acceptable for one group exercising free speech the proper way, and legally, and seem to give more credence to the group breaking the law and calling for violence in this side by side...Why is that?

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    I think that if you wanted to assemble on the part without "permit" and protest, you should be free to do so. I would defend your right in that manner the same as anyone else. If you've heard many of my arguments on this board, you know I have not the most favorable opinion of "permits" for rights.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

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    I think that if you wanted to assemble on the part without "permit" and protest, you should be free to do so. I would defend your right in that manner the same as anyone else. If you've heard many of my arguments on this board, you know I have not the most favorable opinion of "permits" for rights.

    Permits serve a purpose. They ensure that all the proper services, and tools like restrooms, police protection, clean up, and civility of surrounding neighbors is followed....This happens in a civil society. And you are against that?

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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Permits serve a purpose. They ensure that all the proper services, and tools like restrooms, police protection, clean up, and civility of surrounding neighbors is followed....This happens in a civil society. And you are against that?

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    When it usurps the right to peacably assemble then it is wrong. You should need permit to do contracted stuff. Not for a bunches of people spontaneously gathering for what ever cause. If 1 solo entity (a person) wants to use lots of public space they should need a permit. But not tons of solo people just deciding to show up at town hall.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    When it usurps the right to peacably assemble then it is wrong. You should need permit to do contracted stuff. Not for a bunches of people spontaneously gathering for what ever cause. If 1 solo entity (a person) wants to use lots of public space they should need a permit. But not tons of solo people just deciding to show up at town hall.

    But that is apples to oranges when talking of OWS. this was NOT spontaneous.


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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

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    But that is apples to oranges when talking of OWS. this was NOT spontaneous.


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    Sure seems like tons of people showing up of free will to me. Oh wait.. you think they are ALL paid? Each person that is there wanted to go. Its not like they held a concert there to rally in anyone they could. It was just a gathering of people.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

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    Sure seems like tons of people showing up of free will to me. Oh wait.. you think they are ALL paid? Each person that is there wanted to go. Its not like they held a concert there to rally in anyone they could. It was just a gathering of people.

    Yes, it was so spontaneous that it showed up on the scene with its own newspaper, and its own billionaire to support them in the form of Soros....pfft...


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    Re: Occupy Oakland protesters remove barricade at port entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Permits serve a purpose. They ensure that all the proper services, and tools like restrooms, police protection, clean up, and civility of surrounding neighbors is followed....This happens in a civil society. And you are against that?

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    I know the purpose. But from a purely philosophical stand point it is illogical to ask government permission to exercise a right.
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