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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    An attack on Iran is not a good idea at this time, especially due to the fact that the US military is already overstretched.
    Hmmmm.....how the hell did that happen....oh wait.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually it won't be a political calculation. If Iran is attacked, it could have very negative economic effects (7 Potential Economic Effects Of A War With Iran) as well as negative political effects (Striking Iran Is Unwarranted, and It Would Mean Disaster - Marc Lynch - International - The Atlantic). An attack on Iran is not a good idea at this time, especially due to the fact that the US military is already overstretched.
    But that analysis isn't one that demonizes Obama, and so is totally invalid.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!

    You are displaying quite a hyperbolic reaction.

    I'm not foaming at the mouth. I simply and calmly agreed with the OP's opinion on the motivations for Obama's decisions. No telepathy involved...just projections based on his past decisions.

    Besides...the partisanship expressed by samsmart was directed toward Republican and Democrat...not Obama.

    DiAnna, try to remain focused, eh?
    You were referring to the OP in the post I quoted. I was referring to the OP as well.

    And I am always focused. You just didn't happen to like what I was focused on.

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Iran is the only missing link at this point in the construction of the middle eastern oil pipeline, courtesy of NATO (but mainly the U.S.)

    It will be attacked soon but likely at grave cost.

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Everyone who is surprised to learn that Iran will soon be attacked by Israel and then by the UK/UK or by the UK/US please raise your hands. It's inevitable and has been for a while now as the smack talk is ratcheted upward.

    "We must attack Iran to make the world safe." Yada, yada, yada <making chicken choking hand movement>.










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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    "We must attack Iran to make the world safe." Yada, yada, yada <making chicken choking hand movement>.
    Attacking Iran to make the world safe certainly doesn't make Iran safe. Isn't Iran part of the world?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    He hasn't done anything and you're already attacking him? WTF.

    And shouldn't you be worried about the possibility that there could be another drawn out war costing billions and putting the whole region into chaos? Can America not get involved if Israel decides to go forward with this plan? What are the benefits and fallouts for America? Can Americans bear the costs again? What do you think is best for America?

    Discuss the issue, a very important one, instead of making everything into partisan crap before it even happens.
    There is no reason to see anything partisan in my post unless you have been programmed to see every criticism of Obama as partisan or racist etc. Imo he would be the same unprincipled incompetent if he were a Republican.

    As for the rest of your post, the article clearly states that the action is seen as an air and/or sea battle with no ground invasion. Our casualties would be few or none and the cost of this action would likely be no higher than the missile defense shields we would otherwise provide to protect our interests in the ME, Central Asia and Europe. Even in a worst case scenario in which we had to take out all of Iran's air and sea defenses and all of their ability to retaliate, we'd be talking about a period of weeks at most.

    As for Israel doing it alone, this would present a greater danger to the US than if we did it. While Israel might be able to take out most of the nuclear facilities and neutralize Iran's air defense systems, air force and command and control centers, it likely couldn't take out Iran's ability to attack on the ground, and the only targets Iran would be able to reach would be either US interests or other US allies.

    In determining whether a strike against Iran at this time is in US interests, since it is clear that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, one has to ask if we would be better off dealing decisively with Iran in its present state or in dealing with a nuclear Iran. There is no question in my mind that we would be better off doing it now rather than dealing with a nuclear Iran or that it would cost us no more than protecting all our interests and allies from a nuclear Iran.

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    You were referring to the OP in the post I quoted. I was referring to the OP as well.

    And I am always focused. You just didn't happen to like what I was focused on.
    Incorrect.

    Follow the chain.

    From samsmart responding to OP:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926170

    From me responding to samsmart:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926245

    From samsmart responding to me:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926268

    From me responding to samsmart:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926293

    You jumping in...responding to me:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926330


    Please try to keep up, eh?
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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Right.

    If a Democrat does something, it's always for political glory.

    If a Republican does the same thing, it's always for the greater good of our nation.

    Please be more partisan. I would like to see if it's possible.
    These may be your partisan fantasies you're talking about, but they are not mine. I dislike Obama because he has shown himself to be an unprincipled incompetent.

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    Re: UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Incorrect.

    Follow the chain.

    From samsmart responding to OP:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926170

    From me responding to samsmart:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926245

    From samsmart responding to me:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926268

    From me responding to samsmart:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926293

    You jumping in...responding to me:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059926330


    Please try to keep up, eh?
    I'm keeping up just fine, but you seem to be a bit befuddled. Please note the bolded part of your post below, which I originally quoted, where you refer to the OP and the OP's sources. My rebuttal was directed at that part of your post. Ergo, my rebuttal was directed at the OP and your defense of him. Have a nice evening.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...

    Partisan against Obama...you bet.

    Partisan against Democrats...some.

    Partisan against Republicans...some.


    But I don't go around trying to raise partisanship where it's not warranted. Neither toomuchtime_ nor the linked article referenced Republicans or Democrats...only Obama.
    Last edited by DiAnna; 11-03-11 at 12:18 AM.

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