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    Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

    My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

    Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    I have tremendous respect for US Marines, believe me I do.

    But this is a dumb reason to join a particular movement. You join OWS perhaps because you agree with the message or sympathize with their cause, not because your friend/fellow Marine got hurt and you're mad at the cops who may or may not have overreacted.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    The OWS marches are...by their nature...volatile situations. They are mob actions. I'm surprised any Vet would be stupid enough to become part of the mob...given their experience with order and control in chaotic situations. But, hey...Vets can be stupid just like any other people, I guess.

    As a Vet, I certainly won't place myself in a stupid, dangerous situation just because some other idiot Vet did the same. Perhaps those "Veterans of the 99%" would be better served marching to the hospital and telling Olsen what a dumbass he is.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The OWS marches are...by their nature...volatile situations. They are mob actions. I'm surprised any Vet would be stupid enough to become part of the mob...given their experience with order and control in chaotic situations. But, hey...Vets can be stupid just like any other people, I guess.

    As a Vet, I certainly won't place myself in a stupid, dangerous situation just because some other idiot Vet did the same. Perhaps those "Veterans of the 99%" would be better served marching to the hospital and telling Olsen what a dumbass he is.
    I think you're generalizing based on the events that have garnered media coverage. Certainly many of them are, but I wouldn't conclude that it is characteristic of the movement as a whole.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think you're generalizing based on the events that have garnered media coverage. Certainly many of them are, but I wouldn't conclude that it is characteristic of the movement as a whole.
    Nope...not generalizing.

    If I were inclined to be a part of a protest, as soon as the idiots around me started acting foolish, I'd get myself out of there. There's no reason to be a part of a conflict with the police when they have the guns and gas.

    Now, I have nothing against "Veterans of the 99%" marching if they believe whatever they are marching for...but marching for a dumbass Vet is a dumbass idea.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

    My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

    Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.

    not even one that was administratively discharged other than honorably for Cocaine use, who held the Marines in high contempt up until his injury? Really?



    furthermore IVAW is no news story, it's sort of misleading, the title, and the article here. not to say Veterans are not involved, But I don't see the VFW or the Legion lending thier support. I think the article is not fully honest.

    Wow IVAW and a couple vietnam vets joined #ows..... This is not news and nothing like the thread title is implying. It's a propaganda piece.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    There are no former Marines.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

    My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

    Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.
    Take the side of the peaceful protesters. That's the side to take. Protesting is all we've got left. Though they're a rag-tag bunch with many different agendas...even though some small groups of them choose to break the law...even though they're a pain in the neck to the city of NY and the other cities that have have joined them...it's a sacred right. They are to be applauded for what they're doing. They're freezing their butts off, they've given up creature comforts -- to make a statement. And however misguided some of us believe they are, they're practicing democracy at its finest. For the most part, we should be proud of them.
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are no former Marines.

    I thinks he might have some issues trying to join the legion or the VFW, lol.


    And most of these Marines disagree with you:

    Former Marine vs. Ex-Marine - US Marine Corps - tribe.net
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    Re: Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Take the side of the peaceful protesters. That's the side to take. Protesting is all we've got left. Though they're a rag-tag bunch with many different agendas...even though some small groups of them choose to break the law...even though they're a pain in the neck to the city of NY and the other cities that have have joined them...it's a sacred right. They are to be applauded for what they're doing. They're freezing their butts off, they've given up creature comforts -- to make a statement. And however misguided some of us believe they are, they're practicing democracy at its finest. For the most part, we should be proud of them.
    Sorry, dude...but I'm not proud of useful idiots.
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