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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    As I see it Oakland police should great restraint in dealing with this violent anarchists who should have had water cannons used against them. They were there to show their asses and they did so with gusto.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that is true, it is in the infancy stage.
    It's an interesting point, right? None of us have actually seen rebellion, so we don't know what it looks like. Is this really the infant stages of it? I wouldn't put much stock in it, but it will be interesting to see how this goes. It could just blow up into a giant riot, this is Oakland after all. It could consolidate into a purposeful resistance movement against government, most likely (I think) it will eventually disperse and everyone will go home. Since we've never seen on, we can't really point to factors. All we have are stories of another group of 'hippie" occupiers had occupied Boston, thrown objects at the soldiers there to "maintain peace", and then were eventually shot.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the story I know of, and I said possibly. Still, it's no billions and billions of dollars.
    Ok, so leaving out the obvious hack, shill, uber leftie, anti American boob this guy is, and leave out that no conclusive proof points to him being struck in the head by a CS canister, could have just as easily been a rock, or bottle coming from the protester side, leave all of that out, and you have that they are mad at the bailouts. Well, ok, whoop de doo! Welcome to the party! So is the Tea Party, but let's take a look at the differences of the two 'movements' shall we?

    OWS blames the banks, leaving out half of the equation when it comes to greed and what actually happened to drive housing into the dirt.

    Tea party blames government and too much central planning that created a bubble by offering free money to those who either couldn't, or had no intent to ever pay that money back.

    OWS makes their point by breaking the law, and taking over places, breaking things, destroying property, and clashing with police.

    Tea party made their point by gaining permits, holding peaceful rallies, and leaving the place cleaner than when they came.

    You tell me which one you support?

    But you don't see clearly. You don't even understand my points. So should I care what you think? The answer is "no".
    I understand pretty well I think, if there is something I am missing maybe that is because you are being purposely unclear, that burden is on you, not me. But hey, if you don't want to debate those that disagree with your support of OWS then why are you in this thread? To troll?

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so leaving out the obvious hack, shill, uber leftie, anti American boob this guy is, and leave out that no conclusive proof points to him being struck in the head by a CS canister, could have just as easily been a rock, or bottle coming from the protester side,
    That's why I said possibly. Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    leave all of that out, and you have that they are mad at the bailouts. Well, ok, whoop de doo! Welcome to the party! So is the Tea Party, but let's take a look at the differences of the two 'movements' shall we?
    That is one of their main contentions, yes. Tea Partiers aren't in it for the long haul though. They could learn a lesson from OWS. That's what commitment and resolve look like. Sure, they don't have to go the route of Oakland, and many other OWS movements have been very peaceful and people have prescribe themselves to the boundary of law. But they don't stop, they don't give up, they keep coming back. One some level, there are at least a few admirable qualities about the movement in those terms of perseverance.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OWS blames the banks, leaving out half of the equation when it comes to greed and what actually happened to drive housing into the dirt.

    Tea party blames government and too much central planning that created a bubble by offering free money to those who either couldn't, or had no intent to ever pay that money back.
    Well put the two together and we get the big picture then. Tea Party and OWS, peanut butter and chocolate.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OWS makes their point by breaking the law, and taking over places, breaking things, destroying property, and clashing with police.
    Not really. In one city in particular it has become very serious. In other cities there are minor clashes, and in still other cities it's perfectly peaceful.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tea party made their point by gaining permits, holding peaceful rallies, and leaving the place cleaner than when they came.
    They certainly have admirable qualities too...I wouldn't mind seeing the Tea Party get a bit more aggressive though.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You tell me which one you support?
    Both. I love protest, I love freedom, I love seeing it all in action. I love dissent, I love the People asserting themselves, I love to watch the government reel. I love this Republic, and understand that it must be kept through action of the people, I applaud all attempts to do just that. I love questioning authority, I love my rights, I love my liberty, I love all those who rise up to stand for theirs.

    I support both sides and their right to assemble and protest; to it's maximum. They are both faces of freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand pretty well I think, if there is something I am missing maybe that is because you are being purposely unclear, that burden is on you, not me. But hey, if you don't want to debate those that disagree with your support of OWS then why are you in this thread? To troll?

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    I've been perfectly clear, I fear that perhaps you have just overestimated your abilities to understand a bit though.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's why I said possibly. Jesus.
    Just reiterating the point, and no I am no where near the level of Jesus. But thanks for the complement.


    That is one of their main contentions, yes. Tea Partiers aren't in it for the long haul though. They could learn a lesson from OWS.
    What ever you are talking about here is really convoluted. The Tea Party has made effective change in whom the elections are won by giving voice to the people trough the system, where as the OWS so far is going around breaking law, destroying the economy to a greater extent, and anarchy. In fact, any objective look at comparing the two in our system of government has to conclude that the Tea Party is the group making the more effective gains.

    That's what commitment and resolve look like.
    Really? I think it looks more like a giant out of control temper tantrum.

    Sure, they don't have to go the route of Oakland, and many other OWS movements have been very peaceful and people have prescribe themselves to the boundary of law.
    Really? You mean like the rape, theft, and assault? Like the blocking of traffic, noise, and trespass? You mean like the lack of permit, unlawful assembly, and harassment of homeowners, and by standers? That boundary of law?

    But they don't stop, they don't give up, they keep coming back.
    They haven't yet begun to feel the force of law.

    One some level, there are at least a few admirable qualities about the movement in those terms of perseverance.
    So far none that I can see, unless you count the ability to look and act like complete idiots.

    Well put the two together and we get the big picture then. Tea Party and OWS, peanut butter and chocolate.
    Not even close. the quasi Marxist message of wealth redistribution, coupled with extreme class warfare is not what would even win a plurality of the American sentiment much less a majority.

    Not really. In one city in particular it has become very serious. In other cities there are minor clashes, and in still other cities it's perfectly peaceful.

    So rape, even that of a minor, prostitution, drug use, assault, and the myriad of other laws and ordinances broken by these children are perfectly peaceful eh.....?

    They certainly have admirable qualities too...I wouldn't mind seeing the Tea Party get a bit more aggressive though.
    So as before your bent seems to want violent clash. Why? Do you really think that would be a positive thing for this country?

    Both. I love protest, I love freedom, I love seeing it all in action. I love dissent, I love the People asserting themselves, I love to watch the government reel. I love this Republic, and understand that it must be kept through action of the people, I applaud all attempts to do just that.
    Fine except that OWS doesn't want that....Their message seems to be one of greater government control through distribution of wealth and resource. Less freedom, less of the Republic and more of pure democracy, which is NOT what we are.

    You for that?

    I love questioning authority, I love my rights, I love my liberty, I love all those who rise up to stand for theirs.

    Liberty is NOT what this group stands for.

    I support both sides and their right to assemble and protest; to it's maximum. They are both faces of freedom.
    Shouldn't they do it legally?

    I've been perfectly clear, I fear that perhaps you have just overestimated your abilities to understand a bit though.
    Ah, there it is...Since I think your position is convoluted and garbled, instead of clarifying just what the hell you are saying, you think it just easier to attack me by implying that I am too stupid to understand it....You know who else uses that tactic? Allenskite Marxist progressives.


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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think YOU have a good grasp on what I had written. What have OWS gotten? Arrested, shot at, shot (possibly), tear gassed, flash banged, etc. What did the banks get? Billions and billions of tax payer money. The better scam was the one I mentioned.
    That is what happens when you act like a bunch of rioting goons.

    We have Occupy protesters here... about maybe 50-100 steady throughout the week.

    And... no problems.... because they haven't been acting like riotous morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    As I see it Oakland police should great restraint in dealing with this violent anarchists who should have had water cannons used against them. They were there to show their asses and they did so with gusto.
    Thats what happens when the city leadership... namely the Mayor.... shows weakness.

    She gave them a mile (not an inch), and they took 10 miles.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That is what happens when you act like a bunch of rioting goons.

    We have Occupy protesters here... about maybe 50-100 steady throughout the week.

    And... no problems.... because they haven't been acting like riotous morons.
    That's fine. As I said with j-mac too, there are OWS protests which have been very peaceful and within the confines of the law. He doesn't seem to think so, rather it appears he assumes ALL OWS have rapes and blah blah blah; that long list he put on.

    But regardless, that doesn't take away from my point in that post that the Banks ran the better scam that OWS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's fine. As I said with j-mac too, there are OWS protests which have been very peaceful and within the confines of the law. He doesn't seem to think so, rather it appears he assumes ALL OWS have rapes and blah blah blah; that long list he put on.

    But regardless, that doesn't take away from my point in that post that the Banks ran the better scam that OWS.
    First of all, please name the OWS protests that have adhered to the rule of law, and been totally peaceful.

    Second, there is no doubt that the Banks had a major hand in the the bubble burst that was the housing collapse, and led to the depression we are in. But, that is only half the story, or cause, and because OWS is unwilling to address the entirety of reasoning, and causality of that collapse, then we are doomed to repeat it over, and over again until we get it right, or dissolve as a country.

    One of the most disturbing things to me over all of this is not that this happened, but that there are cheerleaders on the sidelines that are openly advocating the 'burn it down' mentality. And in order to achieve the ends of what the demonstrators think they want, they are getting in bed so to speak with some very nefarious types that don't seek what they do in so far as they are against what America stands for.

    To advocate anything violent, and hope for it to happen is to say that America should cease to be America. How is that good?

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post

    Tea Partiers aren't in it for the long haul though.


    Yeah, after changing the entire political landscape last November, all of those fiscal conservatives, fiscal libertarians, fiscal democrats are simply going to stop voting for principles that just crushed the liberals. You have no idea what drives the Tea Party movement.
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