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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Internal Affairs investigates the police. As for who investigates them, well, that's kind of the trick isn't it? Eventually it just comes down to either a handful of bureaucrats or the masses keeping an eye on things and the masses are usually impeded as much possible from keeping an eye on things that handful of bureaucrats doesn't want them looking at.
    So the police police the police? In certain degrees yes, so long as they don't all start acting out. Ultimately the ones who police the police are the same as the ones who govern the government...We the People.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, I suppose that's true. I would have assumed the dock workers would certainly be unionized though.
    it's California... the longshoremen are union workers represented by the ILWU...whether they want to be or not.( employees have no choice but to join the union and pay union dues)

    the ILWU is not sanctioning this strike... their contract forbids them from officially doing so...."officially" being the key work

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So the police police the police? In certain degrees yes, so long as they don't all start acting out. Ultimately the ones who police the police are the same as the ones who govern the government...We the People.
    try telling the police officers union that and see how far you get

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    This is one of the problems I see with unions of today. They seriously don't care who gets hurt, as long as they get what they want. This is a partisian thing, nothing more. Unions are primarily democratic; this particular protestors are primarily democratic.

    I don't care if people want to protest. But when they start breaking the law, preventing others from earning the money to feed their own families, and pelting police officers with objects that can maim and kill, then they get no sympathy from me when they are herded off the public streets in a stampede of tear gas and rubber bullets.

    Now they want to close down the city. Great. I'm sure in this economy everyone can afford to do just that. Solidary, bro'. You can eat and pay the mortgage later.

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yeah! Down with the police!! Let's get those pigs!
    I'm down with the Longshoremen who are down with the protest.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    try telling the police officers union that and see how far you get
    Yeah, they don't much take kindly to challenges in their authority and sadly many seemed to have forgotten as to where that authority ultimately comes from.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This is one of the problems I see with unions of today. They seriously don't care who gets hurt, as long as they get what they want. This is a partisian thing, nothing more. Unions are primarily democratic; this particular protestors are primarily democratic.

    I don't care if people want to protest. But when they start breaking the law, preventing others from earning the money to feed their own families, and pelting police officers with objects that can maim and kill, then they get no sympathy from me when they are herded off the public streets in a stampede of tear gas and rubber bullets.

    Now they want to close down the city. Great. I'm sure in this economy everyone can afford to do just that. Solidary, bro'. You can eat and pay the mortgage later.
    You would have made one hell of a Loyalist.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    mad at wall street?... shut down a port!

    makes perfect sense.
    Psst..I think that's the "quit offshoring our jobs" part of OWS's message.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Hmmmm.....well, I believe a strong, nationwide strike would be the real way to effect change in our country. That's the reason why our government works so hard to make it easy to go into debt...harder to strike, or lay out of work for a day, week, month, when you got a mortgage, student loan, etc.

    Having said that, if something like this takes off, it could actually make a difference...but the question is, what KIND of difference? Say we go on strike...What would we ask of our leaders? Do we even know the questions? I mean, I know the questions I would like addressed...but I'm one person. I wonder of the OWS people have put any thought into this, and then I think...well, being leaderless, they probably haven't.
    Interesting to remember that China changed course due to the general strike that culminated at Tiananmin Square.
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    Re: Occupy Oakland: City braces for general strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You would have made one hell of a Loyalist.
    I didn't realize we were involved in a revolution to free ourselves from a tyrannical government. Silly me, I said the same things about the Tea Party Protests... they've got the absolute right to protest and if they break the law they'll have to accept the consequences. Now that I realize that we are trying to overthrow the government, I shall don my three-sided hat and load my musket and wait to see who the enemy really is.

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