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Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

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Erod said:
Companies pay off these kind of people all the time. $35K is nothing compared to court costs.

If you were sexually harassed, would you settle for that little?
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seems quite odd that there were 2, and yes, i might accept what was then a year's pay, especially if i was young.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Not necessarily. It depends on the nature of the harassment...


Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination.The legal definition of sexual harassment is “unwelcome verbal, visual, or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”

ERA: Sexual Harassment at Work​
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That's how I understand it so I'm surprised Oscar assigned an arbitrary number to it.
 
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Gina said:
From the EEOC

Facts About Sexual Harassment

I don't see the words pattern or arbitrary numbers one must tolerate before reporting.
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from your link

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors,
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note the plural, meaning more than one :shrug:

sorry folks, just because you want it to be harassment doesn't make it so.

I am not saying it was right, just that it doesn't meet the requirements to be considered harassment.
 
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OscarB63 said:
since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe
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Are you saying it's not "severe" if a woman is raped if she doesn't call the police? Do you believe women always call the police after they've been raped?
 
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Gina said:
That's how I understand it so I'm surprised Oscar assigned an arbitrary number to it.
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I assigned an arbitrary number as an example. it really isn't that hard to understand. nowhere did I say "it must happen at least X number of times". It just has to happen more than once
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Are you saying it's not "severe" if a woman is raped if she doesn't call the police? Do you believe women always call the police after they've been raped?
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are you saying that he raped her?
 
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OscarB63 said:
from your link



note the plural, meaning more than one :shrug:

sorry folks, just because you want it to be harassment doesn't make it so.

I am not saying it was right, just that it doesn't meet the requirements to be considered harassment.
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Who knows how on Earth you missed this ...

The conduct of the harasser must either be severe or it must be pervasive to be sexual harassment.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Who knows how on Earth you missed this ...

The conduct of the harasser must either be severe or it must be pervasive to be sexual harassment.
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well we know it wasn't pervasive and since he didn't go to jail and she didn't complain at the time it appears that it wasn't severe.


why are you so afraid of Cain? afraid he would out-black your boy Obama in the general election?
 
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OscarB63 said:
are you saying that he raped her?
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No, since "rape" was the example provided by the definition of sexual harassment as a "one-time" attack which qualifies as sexual harassment, how could you have meant anything other than "rape" when you suggested she may have felt it wasn't severe enough?

Do you even realize what you responded do when you offered that suggestion?
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
No, since "rape" was the example provided by the definition of sexual harassment as a "one-time" attack which qualifies as sexual harassment, how could you have meant anything other than "rape" when you suggested she may have felt it wasn't severe enough?

Do you even realize what you responded do when you offered that suggestion?
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so IOW, you are trying to use an example that doesn't apply to this situation to prove that Cain harassed her
 
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OscarB63 said:
well we know it wasn't pervasive and since he didn't go to jail and she didn't complain at the time it appears that it wasn't severe.
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You must be psychic since none of the women who filed a complaint released the details of the sexual harassment. How do you know it wasn't pervasive?

OscarB63 said:
why are you so afraid of Cain? afraid he would out-black your boy Obama in the general election?
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Ahh, the old, "what are you afraid of," canard. Cute. What's to be afraid of a black man running in a political party which almost never elects blacks to federal offices? Especially at the state level where there's been 1 elected as Senator since Reconstruction.
 
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OscarB63 said:
from your link



note the plural, meaning more than one :shrug:

sorry folks, just because you want it to be harassment doesn't make it so.

I am not saying it was right, just that it doesn't meet the requirements to be considered harassment.
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That's stretching it a bit as the plural results from grammar and no where in that quote does it say a person must wait for it to happen multiple times. I don't know why you it would have to be explained to you that telling a woman she has nice tits is not appropriate in the work place. It's unprofessional and just plain bad manners.
 
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liblady said:
the article itself states no one knew what she was saying to him. perhaps this woman wants her day to be a star, who knows? doesn't change anything, 3 other women have accused him, and two received financial settlements. don't you think you should treat cain the same way republicans treated clinton?
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Clinton's accusers came forward and put their accusations on the table......with evidence. Ken Starr documented, in detail, Clinton's perverted behavior. Clinton paid off Paula Jones $850,000.

We don't know squat about the other three so there is a very different set of facts.
 
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conservativeguy said:
Clinton's accusers came forward and put their accusations on the table......with evidence. Ken Starr documented, in detail, Clinton's perverted behavior. Clinton paid off Paula Jones $850,000.

We don't know squat about the other three so there is a very different set of facts.
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Um, Paula Jones didn't make any accusations until three years after the alleged rape, when Clinton was already in the WH. She never reported the alleged rape to the police. She scored a big settlement and then cashed in by posing for Penthouse. Not quite the demure church lady she presented herself as in the lawsuit.
 
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OscarB63 said:
so IOW, you are trying to use an example that doesn't apply to this situation to prove that Cain harassed her
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You're spinning yourself in circles now. I hope you don't get dizzy.

To recap ...

I posted the example from the definition of sexual harassment to show you are wrong in claiming sexual harassment must be pervasive. That example described rape as being a "severe" attack which constitutes sexual harassment.

You responded by suggesting maybe she felt rape severe enough.

you've been spinning in circles ever since...
 
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Wow, now it turns out she was a neighbor of David Axelrod........good grief this smells like Chicago thuggery to me.

Martha MacCallum, FOX News: "One of the things is that you lived at a 505 North Lake Shore Drive apartment, right? This is the same building, it happens to be the same building David Axelrod lives in. Do you know David Axelrod? Ever have any interaction with him at all?

Sharon Bialek, Cain accuser: "I saw him in the gym. I mean -- everybody nods to each other. It is friendly building but I never had any interaction with him."
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Gina said:
That's stretching it a bit as the plural results from grammar and no where in that quote does it say a person must wait for it to happen multiple times. I don't know why you it would have to be explained to you that telling a woman she has nice tits is not appropriate in the work place. It's unprofessional and just plain bad manners.
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maybe the civies do it differently. but I can tell you from years of experience doing investigations for the military, that in order to qualify as harassment the behavior has to continue after the "harasser" has been told to stop and the "victim" has to tell the "harasser" that the behavior is unwanted.

cases of "severe" (as sheik likes to bleat) one time actions such as assault and rape are not treated as harassment but are treated as assault and rape.


sexual assault =/= rape =/= harassment
 
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OscarB63 said:
so IOW, you are trying to use an example that doesn't apply to this situation to prove that Cain harassed her
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No, I'm using the example you provided.

In response to me showing you that rape qualifies as a "severe" case of sexual harassment, you suggested, "since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe"
 
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conservativeguy said:
Wow, now it turns out she was a neighbor of David Axelrod........good grief this smells like Chicago thuggery to me.
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What about the other four women? Were they neighbors of Plouffe? :lol:
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
You're spinning yourself in circles now. I hope you don't get dizzy.

To recap ...

I posted the example from the definition of sexual harassment to show you are wrong in claiming sexual harassment must be pervasive. That example described rape as being a "severe" attack which constitutes sexual harassment.

You responded by suggesting maybe she felt rape severe enough.

you've been spinning in circles ever since...
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you are the one spinning. trying to compare what Cain did to rape
 
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OscarB63 said:
I assigned an arbitrary number as an example. it really isn't that hard to understand. nowhere did I say "it must happen at least X number of times". It just has to happen more than once
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Ok, let's ignore the number 4 and focus on the number 2. No where in the EEOC quote does it say it has to happen more than once.

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with 4 separate individuals. that is a pattern of rude behavior NOT harassment.


If I tell 4 women "you have nice tits" that is not harassment

If I tell the same woman 4 times "you have nice tits" that would be harassment and only then if she told me to stop and I did not.

we are forced to attend EO/SH training on a regular basis. It is harped upon and hammered home all the smegging time.
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So, that's how you expect to get away with making that comment to 4 separate women? They have to wait for you to do it more than once? Further, you don't see that as a pattern of inappropriate behavior?
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
No, I'm using the example you provided.

In response to me showing you that rape qualifies as a "severe" case of sexual harassment, you suggested, "since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe"
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unless he raped her, you showing me that rape qualifies is irrelevent. but thanks for playing
 
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Gina said:
Ok, let's ignore the number 4 and focus on the number 2. No where in the EEOC quote does it say it has to happen more than once.
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they didn't pluralize the verbs for the sake of grammar. saying "you have nice tits" to someone ONE time is not harassment



So, that's how you expect to get away with making that comment to 4 separate women? They have to wait for you to do it more than once? Further, you don't see that as a pattern of inappropriate behavior?
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I have said it was a pattern of inappropriate behavior. sorry but I don't make the rules. he could have made that comment to 1000 separate women and it would not have been harassment.
 
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conservativeguy said:
Wow, now it turns out she was a neighbor of David Axelrod........good grief this smells like Chicago thuggery to me.
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Does that mean she's doesn't qualify as a Republican?
 
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AdamT said:
Um, Paula Jones didn't make any accusations until three years after the alleged rape, when Clinton was already in the WH. She scored a big settlement and then cashed in by posing for Penthouse. Not quite the demure church lady she presented herself as in the lawsuit.
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Keep telling yourself "Clinton didn't do it". I loved the Ken Starr report that detailed BJ Clenis flogging his log in the bathroom sink in a White House office. Of course we also have the jizz stained dress, the Jennifer Flowers tapes, the human humidor Lewinsky, etc., etc. Yeah dude, that man was clearly had his urges under control.
 
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